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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4641 on: February 13, 2022, 02:59:47 AM »
Imagine that the socialists now are the privileged elite like Trudeau and their enemies are the common people.  The proletariat - truckers, farmers, families.  What would Karl Marx make of that?  The working class is rising up against their socialist overlords like they did to end Communism in Eastern Europe.  A magnificent display of democracy in action overcoming corruption.

Neo Nazis and right wing fascists are not the "common people". This is a right wing funded operation to shutdown the government and trade. 

[BTwo-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll[/b]
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadians-support-military-force-to-end-ottawa-protests-poll/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4642 on: February 13, 2022, 03:07:12 AM »
Trump accused of 'full-blown intelligence scandal' by former White House officials



Writing for the Atlantic, two former White House officials who served under President Barack Obama stated the Justice Department would not be doing its job if it did not open an investigation into Donald Trump for moving top-secret documents to Mar-a-Lago where he kept them for a year.

According to John Gans and Jon Wolfsthal -- who served as a former senior director at the National Security Council -- transporting the documents to the Florida resort where they sat in boxes was a major breach in the nation's security that needs to be investigated and prosecuted.

Citing the Presidential Records Act, the two wrote, "Everyone from the president down to the most junior federal bureaucrat swears an oath to protect the Constitution and is informed that keeping records is a crime. Many citizens, including those who are in or have left office, have been charged in violation of these rules, their careers destroyed or damaged, some sent to prison," before adding that Trump deserves the same treatment if he broke the law.

"The president has to follow the same rules as anyone else. This is part of why we were infuriated to learn that former President Donald Trump is reported to have removed unique materials from the White House that later had to be recovered from his Mar-a-Lago resort," they wrote. "And it is why we believe that the Department of Justice must investigate Trump for his handling of government records and, if the facts justify it, prosecute him, just as other less prominent Americans have been for similar behavior."

According to the two, no one should underestimate the damage the former president might have done, calling it a "full-blown intelligence scandal."

"This is no longer just a case of removing materials important for historians and accountability. This has morphed into a full-blown intelligence scandal that could undermine both national security now and democratic norms in the future," they explained before adding, "In that way, those 15 boxes represent another of Trump’s blows to democracy. At a time when the rule of law and basic democratic norms are under attack, responding to clear violations of the rules is even more important. If the country does not hold the former president to account for breaking a law, what’s to stop the next one?"

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/doj-trump-records/622069/


Trump’s criminal intent ‘not that hard’ to prove in White House records scandal: former prosecutor

Donald Trump appears to have violated three federal statutes by mishandling White House records, according to MSNBC analyst Glenn Kirschner.

First, there's the Presidential Records Act, under which "he he was not supposed to whisk these boxes of presidential records down to Mar-a-Lago because they belong to the National Archives," said Kirschner, a former federal prosecutor.

"There's also a criminal statute for concealment, removal or mutilation of documents," he added. "There seems to be a good bit of reporting that he mutiliated documents in all sorts of ways, some more creative than others. That is actually a three-year federal felony, and it comes with a ban — a ban from holding public office in the future."

"And then there's a third federal statute, improper removal and retention of classified materials," Kirschner said Saturday. "That's a five-year felony. So if any of these charges were actually brought against him, he could be in hot water."

Noting that prosecutors would have to prove that Trump intentionally violated the law, Kirschner said he doesn't think it would be difficult.

"I prosecuted lots of folks. Nobody ever said I intended to commit a crime," he said. "You prove intent by looking at conduct, looking at statements and inferring what was in somebody's mind, that they were acting intentionally and in violation of the law. And given the pattern of document destruction — I think former White House press secretary Stephenie Grisham said, 'We had no rules, and Donald Trump obsessively destroyed documents.' I think that if you look at his conduct over the course of time, if you look at he briefings that he undoubtedly received about how to treat documents, including classified materials, proving intent is not that hard. Will (Attorney General) Merrick Garland bring those charges? It's anybody's guess."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4643 on: February 13, 2022, 03:27:58 AM »
The Canadian trucker convoy is an unpopular uprising
The “freedom convoy” that has besieged Ottawa isn’t a people’s revolt. It’s a fringe movement protesting its defeat.


Since January 28, Canada’s capital city of Ottawa has been under siege by a convoy of angry truckers — a two-week running protest that has drawn support from right-wing extremists in Canada and abroad.

The so-called “freedom convoy” is nominally protesting a vaccine mandate for truckers, implemented in mid-January on both sides of the US-Canada border. But the demonstrations have swiftly ballooned into a broader far-right movement, with some demonstrators waving Confederate and Nazi flags. Protester demands include an end to all Covid-19 restrictions in Canada and the resignation of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

The demonstrators, which have included as many as 8,000 people at their peak, have terrorized Ottawa: blockading streets, harassing citizens, forcing business closures, and honking their extremely loud horns all night. Ottawa police, who have proven some combination of unwilling and unable to restore order, have even set up a special hotline to deal with a deluge of alleged hate crimes stemming from the protests. In the first week of February, it received over 200 calls.

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson has declared a state of emergency, and Trudeau’s government has deployed hundreds of Royal Canadian Mounted Police to the protests. As the situation in Ottawa continues, the freedom convoy movement has expanded across the country. Demonstrators have shut down at least two border crossings between Canada and the United States.

But while the protests are generating a lot of noise and attention, the eruption actually points up a counterintuitive fact: The Canadian far right is weak and ineffectual, especially when it comes to pandemic restrictions.

Canada’s provinces have generally employed strict Covid-19 measures such as school mask mandates and vaccine passports, including during the recent omicron surge. They have enjoyed broad public support in doing so; even the strictest restrictions are less controversial in Canada than in the US. The current demonstration is quite unpopular with the general public, divisive even inside the center-right Conservative party.

This doesn’t mean the movement will accomplish nothing. It has already contributed to a revolt against the Conservative party’s leader and is serving as an important organizing node for far-rightists. The border crossing blockage is putting more stress on the US-Canada supply chain, costing (by one estimation) $300 million a day in economic damage. Internationally, the freedom convoy has inspired copycat efforts in both the United States and France.

But it’s important to understand the broader context in Canada. News coverage of the convoy, especially from sympathetic anchors on Fox News, may lead Americans to believe that Canada is in the midst of a far-right popular uprising. In reality, the mainstream consensus in Canada about Covid-19, and the nation’s institutions in general, is holding. The so-called trucker movement is on the fringe, including among Canadian truckers — some 90 percent of whom are vaccinated.

They are angry because they have lost.

Canadians against “truckers”

I’ve been to Canada several times since the beginning of the pandemic, driving over the Peace Bridge from Buffalo into southern Ontario. The differences between the two countries become apparent almost immediately upon crossing the border. At gas stations and rest stops in upstate New York, masks are treated as optional at best; once you cross the border, virtually everyone you see indoors is masked up. When my daughter developed a fever from an ear infection, I was asked to provide a negative Covid-19 test upon entry to an urgent care facility; without one, we were told we would have been turned away.

My experiences reflect the country’s much stricter government policies. Vaccine passports, school mask mandates, and even bans on private indoor gatherings larger than 10 people have been widely used across Canadian provinces. Even Alberta, the prairie heart of Canadian conservatism, had imposed all three — with Jason Kenney, the province’s Conservative premier, arguing in September that a passport system was ”the only way to cut viral transmission without destroying businesses.”

Alberta and several other Canadian provinces are now in the process of lifting some of the more burdensome restrictions. But this generally reflects the omicron surge’s ebb rather a wave of public opposition; in Ontario, home to Ottawa and Toronto, the Conservative provincial government is following a preexisting reopening script pegged to a decline in case counts and hospitalizations. Some provincial leaders, like Quebec’s François Legault, noted that reopening plans were in no way influenced by trucker shenanigans.

There is a reason Canadian politicians have taken this stance: Poll after poll finds Canadians have widely supported restrictive pandemic policies at both the federal and provincial levels. This is not to say they enjoy restrictions on their freedoms — who does? — but simply that they believe the government has an obligation to act when case counts are high.

This is especially clear when it comes to coercive vaccination rules, ostensibly the freedom convoy’s main target.

The January edition of the Covid-19 Monitor, a regular survey of Canadian attitudes about the pandemic, finds that about three-quarters of Canadians support vaccine passports for indoor dining and gatherings. Strikingly, 70 percent would “strongly” or “somewhat” support a vaccine mandate for all eligible adults — a vastly more restrictive policy than any province has actually attempted. What’s more, the researchers behind Covid-19 Monitor find that, on most issues, “support has remained relatively stable” throughout the pandemic — strong evidence that this isn’t just a short-term blip caused by omicron.

It makes sense, then, that the trucker protest is widely unpopular.

The polling firm Innovative Research Group has conducted three separate rounds of polling since the beginning of the convoy, and found that public opposition has risen as the protest has gone on. In their most recent survey, conducted February 4-9, a scant 29 percent of Canadians expressed support for “the idea of the protest” while 53 percent disapproved.

A separate survey by Léger, released on February 8, found that 62 percent of Canadians oppose “the message that the trucker convoy protests are conveying of no vaccine mandates and less public health measures.” Sixty-five percent of respondents agreed that the demonstrators represented a “small minority of Canadians who are thinking only about themselves.”

Why the trucker protest matters, even though they’re losing

It’s worth emphasizing that a movement does not have to be popular with a majority to have influence.

During the trucker protests, an uprising against Conservative Party Leader Erin O’Toole succeeded in toppling him from the top spot. The challenge was fueled, in part, by Conservative members of Parliament frustrated by O’Toole’s equivocal stance on the convoy, with many in the ranks calling on the party to embrace the truckers.

The leadership challenge points to the bigger effect of the protest: It is a rare action by the Canadian far right that’s gaining mainstream attention and backing. “Even if the trucker protests do recede, their show of strength has won them demonstrable support abroad, including financial support, and has established large communities online that could fuel future activity,” the New York Times’s Max Fisher writes.

The protests have had notable international reach, becoming a cause célèbre for anti-restriction conservatives in the US and Europe. Sixty-three percent of the donations to the truckers’ now-removed GoFundMe came from the United States; the American right reportedly played an important role in getting the protest off the ground. It’s also now inspiring actions elsewhere: An American convoy is scheduled to depart from California on March 4, with Washington as its ultimate destination. A similar French effort is already on its way to Paris, with police vowing to bar its entry to the capital.

Yet the fact that so much of the so-called trucker movement’s support seems to be coming from abroad is telling.

The reality is that a combination of factors, ranging from the structure of the Canadian political system to widespread acceptance of liberal cultural values, have made its government especially resistant to far-right radicalism. On issues ranging from Covid-19 to immigration to abortion, the mainstream consensus has held.

The freedom convoy’s willingness to disrupt life in Canada’s capital is less a sign of an incipient popular uprising than the lashing out of a minority that has little influence at the ballot box.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22926134/canada-trucker-freedom-convoy-protest-ottawa

Nazi flag at 'Freedom Convoy' spurs bill to ban hate symbols
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/02/07/nazi-flag-at-freedom-convoy-sparks-bill-to-ban-hateful-symbols-but-enforcement-is-seen-as-tricky.html

Swastikas and public urination: anti-vaccine protest draws outrage in Canada
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/swastikas-and-public-urination-anti-vaccine-protest-draws-outrage-in-canada

Convoy protest received hundreds of donations that appeared to be from abroad
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/convoy-protest-vaccine-ottawa-1.6345889

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4644 on: February 13, 2022, 03:28:59 AM »
Trump suggests Clinton campaign staffers should be put to death — and demands 'reparations'
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2656646993/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4645 on: February 13, 2022, 04:34:59 PM »
Neo Nazis and right wing fascists are not the "common people". This is a right wing funded operation to shutdown the government and trade. 

[BTwo-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll[/b]
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadians-support-military-force-to-end-ottawa-protests-poll/

A baseless falsehood unless you believe that Canadian truckers are "neo-Nazis".  Talk about grafting a false narrative onto a situation for political purposes.  Keep peddling that falsehood, though, since it is political suicide in the upcoming election.  Vilifying the people is not a good strategy to win elections.   And you of all propagandists are complaining about "shutdowns" and someone interfering with trade after the socialists did that for two years to the entire world?   HA HA HA.  Next you will be telling us that supporting the police is important and masks are unnecessary.  Astounding hypocrisy. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4646 on: February 13, 2022, 11:02:27 PM »
Good!

Police Arrest “Freedom Convoy” Protesters Who Remained at U.S.-Canada Bridge
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/02/police-arrest-convoy-protesters-ambassador-bridge.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4647 on: February 13, 2022, 11:06:10 PM »
'They don’t like Donald Trump. They never liked him': GOP leaders want 'weakened' Trump gone



According to a report from the Washington Post, pollsters and Republican campaign consultants see Donald Trump's political future rapidly fading as mainstream GOP voters -- and donors -- are ready to move on from the "weakened" former president.

Using a battle in Michigan between the GOP leadership and Trump's pick to be the state's attorney general candidate, the report illustrates the growing disconnect between Trump's demands and Republicans' need to move on.

"Similar clashes between Republican leaders and the candidates Trump has embraced have been playing out across the country with growing ferocity in recent months, a chaotic sign that Trump’s once unchallenged hold on the party and rank-and-file supporters is waning, even if by degrees," the Post's Josh Dawsey and Micheal Scherer wrote before adding, "The former president’s power within the party and his continued focus on personal grievances is increasingly questioned behind closed doors at Republican gatherings, according to interviews with more than a dozen prominent Republicans in Washington and across the country, including some Trump advisers."

Adding, "As a result, Trump and his endorsees now find themselves fighting against some elected GOP leaders, donors and party officers intent on navigating the party slowly away from him and his false election claims. Among voters, polls have shown Republican-leaning independents turning from Trump," the report quotes attorney and Trump supporter Matthew DePerno saying the recent turn of events has given Republican leadership in his state an opening to dump Trump.

"There are a lot of people in the state party who — they don’t like Donald Trump. They never liked him," he explained.

According to the report, Republican donors are already turning their backs on the former president, with Art Pope, a prominent North Carolina donor who supported the former president through this four years admitting, "My preference would be he not run again for a variety of reasons and let there be a good primary going forward."

One senior Republican, who did not want to go on the record, said Trump's diminished presence on social media is making it easier to move on without him.

“People aren’t necessarily seeing his messaging as much. They just say he’s not on Twitter, they don’t really know what he’s doing,” they explained. “A lot of people now say to me: 'He did great things, he was a great president, but it’s time for something new.’”

One Trump adviser admitted that even some Trump supporters are feeling Trump-fatigue.

“They needed a break from him. They’re not sure they want him back in their lives, even if they loved the policies,” they explained.

You can read more here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/13/trump-politics-weakness/