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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4627 on: February 09, 2022, 03:23:34 PM »
The RNC believes political violence and an attempted coup is "legitimate public discourse"

The Republican National Committee said that those involved the deadly Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection were involved in "legitimate political discourse."

Really?

So, beating Capitol Police officers with weapons, flag poles, fire extinguishers is a "legitimate public discourse"? That's what the RNC believes is perfectly acceptable behavior.

Destroying the inside of the Capitol, attempting to harm members of Congress with violent acts, and trying to overthrow the government via a coup is also "legitimate public discourse" according to the RNC.

And it's all because Republicans are angry about election results they didn't like.             

Donald Trump lost the 2020 election in a blowout in which he could not handle, so he perpetrated a scheme along with his cohorts to steal the election from the will of the people.

His first plan of action was to push the "voter fraud" lie by trying to get the courts to overturn his election losses. When that didn't work he called up and pressured elected officials to overturn the election in his favor. When that failed as well, he attempted his coup which we now know involved attempting to take control of election machines. On 1/6 Trump incited an insurrection where his supporters beat police officers and stormed the inside of the Capitol.

After this horrific attack against the United States, Articles of Impeachment were brought up and the House impeached Trump for a second time. The right wing Senate refused to hold Trump accountable for his sedition and treason against America.

An investigation into 1/6 needed to be conducted to get to the bottom of what happened and to find out who was all involved. Mitch McConnell and his cohorts in the Senate blocked a bill that would have formed an independent commission to probe the January 6th coup and insurrection. Once again, the GOP Senate was covering up for Trump's crimes and Republicans in Congress who played a part in it.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi then formed a committee to investigate 1/6. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy placed Trump stooges and pro insurrectionists Jim Jordan and Jim Banks on the committee as a way to delegimaitize the importance of this committee. Pelosi rejected them both and then McCarthy refused to replace the committee with any new replacements. In order to make this a bipartisan committee, Nancy Pelosi added Republicans Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger to investigate.

The RNC and right wing Republicans couldn't stand that two Republicans are doing what they are supposed to be doing which is investigating the Trump coup and insurrection. So, Ronna McDaniel the RNC chairwoman censured both Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for doing their duty.

"Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger crossed a line,” she said of them joining the committee. “That’s why Republican National Committee members and myself overwhelmingly support this resolution."

The RNC and the GOP is a cult and their obedience is only to Donald Trump and covering up his crimes. The RNC has made perfectly clear that Trump can do whatever he wants including committing treason and their supporters can engage in political violence taking over the Capitol when they are angry about election results they don't like. 

Of course the GOP condoned the violence on 1/6 because the RNC just issued a statement that the violent attack on the Capitol is "legitimate public discourse". And they censured two Republicans in their own party for investigating Trump's attempted coup.

The GOP is not a party of "law and order" nor do they support the police. The RNC just said that political violence and attacks on police is perfectly acceptable in a statement.

A political party that endorses stealing elections and political violence is not a party that should ever be in power. A party that worships a criminal and tries to cover up and protect him from his crimes should not be in power as well.

Common sense Republicans have left the GOP because they no longer share their same values due to their extremism and blind loyalty to a former reality tv star.     

I certainly don't know of any Independent voters that believe violence is "legitimate public discourse". Do you?

How can anybody, regardless of your political preference, condone political violence and trying to steal an election that was clearly lost by using whatever means possible. That is what Trump, his cohorts, the GOP, and his supporters did. They tried to steal an election through force and violence.   

This November, the only issue on the ballot is democracy. You can either stand with America or the traitors who feel that political violence is "legitimate public discourse".         

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4628 on: February 09, 2022, 03:30:52 PM »
Trump's 'right-hand man' Mark Meadows is in a 'world of trouble': conservative



Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows left an extensive paper trail as he worked to overturn the 2020 presidential election, former Ted Cruz speechwriter Amanda Carpenter explained on CNN on Wednesday.

In a recent column for The Bulwark, Carpenter wrote that "as Trump’s right-hand man, Meadows was like the Holy Spirit of all Trump’s insane election schemes, the hidden hand that moved Trump’s ideas into action and tested the realms of presidential possibility—legally and otherwise."

The House of Representatives has voted to hold Meadows in contempt for stonewalling the Select Committee to investigate the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.

CNN's Brianna Keilar asked, "How are you seeing his role right now?"

"Well, it is really interesting, because the hardest thing about looking at all the revelations that have come out surrounding the January 6th committee is keeping them all straight," Carpenter replied. "We have the stories about voting machines and the ultimate slate of electors and ripping up pieces of paper, but the important thing to keep in mind is that all these sort of lead to Trump."

"None of this happens without Trump. There is a lot going on in the oval office and who is his right-hand man? Mark Meadows. Mark Meadows is the guy who was pushing a lot of the paper and he has a long paper trail," she wrote. It is incredibly important that Donald Trump's right-hand man was implicated in everything and refuses to talk about it and so I think he's in a world of trouble," Carpenter explained. "There is a long paper trail, more than 475 people have talked to the committee. I am confident the story will come out."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4629 on: February 09, 2022, 03:53:29 PM »
Another anti-Trump propagandist bites the dust.  Rachel Maddow is going on a long "hiatus."  I bet with her low ratings.  What a great couple of weeks for Trump.  Zucker leaves CNN in disgrace. Avenatti to the slammer.  The disgraced Brothers Cuomo keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.  And now Rachel going bye bye.  The winning continues.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4630 on: February 10, 2022, 12:06:43 AM »
Trump's mishandled records likely include classified national security documents: MSNBC analyst



White House records mishandled by former president Donald Trump "very likely" include classified national security documents, according to former GOP lawmaker David Jolly.

Appearing on MSNBC on Wednesday, Jolly was reacting to a report that the National Archives has asked the Justice Department to look at whether Trump broke the law by tearing up presidential records — or removing 15 boxes of them to Mar-a-Lago.

The Washington Post's Jacqueline Alemany, who broke the story about the DOJ referral, called it "fairly significant," adding there are "a number of different potential investigative avenues."

"There are potential issues with one, mishandling classified information, which obviously we are all well acquainted with after an investigation was sparked into Hillary Clinton's emails for that issue," Alemany said. "And then also, the issue of the theft of federal property or documents that includes presidential records and potential gifts."

After host Alicia Menendez noted that the records aren't just "extra napkins" from the White House that Trump accidentally put in a moving van, panelist Yamiche Alcindor suggested that Trump deliberately mishandled documents because he "didn't want to leave a paper trail."

Jolly said the situation is particularly alarming given the context.

"It's easy to think of presidential records as being benign, and I'm sure many of the records are benign, but consider this is a president who was twice impeached for malfeasance and maladministration within office, and he also is somebody who is under criminal investigation in multiple jurisdictions, so there certainly could be evidentiary information that is relevant, not just to a fact-finding investigation of the Congress, but to criminal investigations and investigations that might to relate to behaviors that have not yet been identified," Jolly said.

"I would also say in a very real way, in terms of our national security posture, there very likely are national security documents that despite having certain classified protections, were also prone to being torn up. I mean, there are staff members who have acknowledged — those responsible for having to remove national security documents — that he did this when it came to national security measures as well. So it is important form a fact-finding perspective. it is important for posterity, if you will, but it's also important because of the uniqueness of his president, who was twice impeached and is now under criminal investigation."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4631 on: February 10, 2022, 12:42:05 AM »
Another anti-Trump propagandist bites the dust.  Rachel Maddow is going on a long "hiatus."  I bet with her low ratings.  What a great couple of weeks for Trump.  Zucker leaves CNN in disgrace. Avenatti to the slammer.  The disgraced Brothers Cuomo keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.  And now Rachel going bye bye.  The winning continues.

"Bites the dust"?  :D :D :D

Rachel Maddow is one of the most popular cable news hosts with the highest ratings. She also just signed a new huge multi year contract with NBC. Her "hiatus" is due to her producing a feature film which she was planning for over a year.

"Great couple of weeks for Trump"?  :D :D :D

Pence and members of his own party are turning on him, more evidence of his treason is exposed every single day, a new grand jury against him in Georgia has been impaneled, more of his financial crimes in New York is coming to light, and he is on fast track for prison. Yes, so much "winning". lol 

Rachel Maddow Has Most-Watched Show In First Quarter Cable News Ratings
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/03/30/rachel-maddow-has-most-watched-show-in-first-quarter-cable-news-ratings/?sh=475b294c7505

MSNBC host Rachel Maddow will take hiatus to work on a movie
https://news.yahoo.com/msnbc-host-rachel-maddow-hiatus-225036080.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4632 on: February 10, 2022, 12:52:40 AM »
The Trump cult supports civil unrest and violence to push their extreme right wing agenda. The RNC calls that "legitimate public discourse". No surprise certain hacks at Faux Propaganda endorses it but at least Geraldo is speaking out against these thugs illegally shutting down a major city in Canada. 

'What the hell is that?' Fox News' Geraldo buries Tomi Lahren for defending 'thuggish' trucker protests

Fox News' Geraldo Rivera on Wednesday called out Tomi Lahren for supporting the "Freedom Convoy" in Canada that is disrupting life for residents in the city of Ottawa.

During a discussion about the anti-vaccine protests taking place in Canada, Rivera accused Lahren of whitewashing their behavior.

"Their behavior has been nothing short of thuggish in Ottawa," he said. "They kept people in the neighborhood awake all night revving their engines, blowing their horns. They've deprived Ottawa of business, of tens of millions of dollars, now they're blockading the international bridges."

Rivera concluded by telling Lahren that "to give these guys the mantle of freedom fights is appallingly naïve."

Lahren responded by comparing the truckers to America's founders and said that Rivera would have called George Washington and Thomas Jefferson "thugs" and "degenerates" were he alive during the Revolutionary War.

Rivera, however, was not having it, and he was offended that Lahren would compare people carrying swastikas and Confederate flags to America's founders.

"What the hell is that about?" he asked incredulously. "They have been very destructive! 40 percent of Canada's trade goes over the bridge they have blocked!"

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4633 on: February 10, 2022, 04:36:54 AM »
Lock Him Up! What are the odds that Donnie destroyed the most sensitive and incriminating documents in his "burn bags"?

National Archives found possible classified material in boxes returned by Trump



By Michael S. Schmidt and Reid J. Epstein
The New York Times

The National Archives and Records Administration discovered what it believed was classified information in documents Donald Trump had taken with him from the White House as he left office, according to a person briefed on the matter.

The discovery, which occurred after Trump returned 15 boxes of documents to the government last month, prompted the National Archives to reach out to the Justice Department for guidance, the person said. The department told the National Archives to have its inspector general examine the matter, the person said.

It is unclear what the inspector general has done since then, in particular, whether the inspector general has referred the matter to the Justice Department.

An inspector general is required to alert the Justice Department to the discovery of any classified materials that were found outside authorized government channels.

Making a referral to the Justice Department would put senior officials in the position of having to decide whether to open an investigation, a scenario that would thrust the department into a highly contentious political matter.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that the National Archives had asked the Justice Department to examine Trump’s handling of White House records.

Officials with the National Archives did not respond to messages seeking comment.

In January, after a lengthy back and forth between Trump’s lawyers and the National Archives, Trump handed over more than a dozen boxes of materials, including documents, mementos, gifts and letters. Among the documents were the original versions of a letter that former President Barack Obama had left for Trump when he was first sworn in and letters written to Trump by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

Also included in the boxes was a map Trump famously drew on with a black Sharpie to demonstrate the track of Hurricane Dorian heading toward Alabama in 2019 to back up a declaration he had made on Twitter that contradicted weather forecasts.

The boxes had originally been sent to Mar-a-Lago from the White House residence, where a range of items — including clothes — were hastily packed up in Trump’s final days in office. Legally, Trump was required to leave the documents, letters and gifts in the custody of the federal government so the National Archives could store them.

After the FBI, during the 2016 presidential campaign, investigated Hillary Clinton’s handling of classified material while she was secretary of state, Trump assailed her, helping make the issue pivotal in the outcome of that race. In that case, the intelligence community’s inspector general had made a national security referral to the FBI, prompting the investigation of Clinton.

But during Trump’s administration, top White House officials were deeply concerned about how little regard Trump showed for sensitive national security materials. John Kelly, the White House chief of staff, tried to stop classified documents from being taken out of the Oval Office and brought up to the residence because he was concerned about what Trump may do with them and how that may jeopardize national security.

Similar to Clinton, Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and daughter Ivanka used personal email accounts for work purposes. And even after being warned by aides, Trump repeatedly ripped up government documents that had to be taped back together to prevent him from being accused of destroying federal property.

Now Trump faces questions about his handling of classified information — a question that is complicated because as president he had the authority to declassify any government information. It is unclear whether Trump had declassified materials that the National Archives discovered in the boxes before he left office. Under federal law, he no longer maintains the ability to declassify documents after leaving office.

He invoked the power to declassify information several times as his administration publicly released materials that helped him politically, particularly on issues like the investigation into his campaign’s ties to Russia.

Toward the end of the administration, Trump ripped pictures that intrigued him out of the President’s Daily Brief — a compendium of often classified information about potential national security threats — but it is unclear whether he took them to the residence with him. In one prominent example of how he dealt with classified material, Trump in 2019 took a highly classified spy satellite image of an Iranian missile launch site, declassified it and then released the photo on Twitter.

If Trump was found to have taken materials with him that were still classified at the time he left the White House, prosecuting him would be extremely difficult and it would pit the Justice Department against Trump at a time when Attorney General Merrick Garland is trying to depoliticize the department.

The department and the FBI also still have significant scars from the investigation into whether Clinton mishandled classified information, as the bureau was accused of unfairly tarnishing her and interfering in the 2016 election.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/national-archives-found-possible-classified-material-in-boxes-returned-by-trump/