Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

   I got your point. Other than showing the viewer Buell, that picture does More Damage than Good.

No, you missed my point. The picture shows Mr Frazier pointing to the very spot Prayer Man was standing in. Either he's being monumentally unmindful, or he knows just what he's doing.

But you are right: the picture does More Damage than Good-------to your bizarre cause of keeping Mr Oswald away from those steps! 

[John Iacoletti]

  We just disagree. The Only thing putting Oswald outside the TSBD when the JFK Limo went by is Oswald himself claiming such. How can anyone believe what is coming outta the mouth of someone carrying 2 Different ID's in their pocket? That alone destroys Oswald's credibility.

Why do you believe he was carrying 2 different IDs in his pocket?

[Martin Weidmann]

  We just disagree. The Only thing putting Oswald outside the TSBD when the JFK Limo went by is Oswald himself claiming such. How can anyone believe what is coming outta the mouth of someone carrying 2 Different ID's in their pocket? That alone destroys Oswald's credibility.

someone carrying 2 Different ID's in their pocket

Did he? Really?

Bentley took Oswald's wallet of him in the car and did not find an ID in a different name. There is no report whatsoever that confirms a second ID having been found in the wallet taken from Oswald in the car.

The first time the Hidell ID pops up is at the police station, when Gus Rose (who just started work) gets handed a wallet by an unidentified cop and only then did that wallet have two ID's in it. There is not a shred of evidence this is the same wallet as the one Bentley took from Oswald in the car.....

[Martin Weidmann]

  If anyone believes the Alek Hidell ID Card with Oswald's pic on it was planted, just say so.

So you have no proof that Oswald actually carried two ID's in his wallet? Got it!

You can speculate and assume stuff all you want, but you can't state it as if it is a fact, when it clearly isn't.

[Martin Weidmann]

  The Warren Report records the Phony ID info. Guess the Thread doesn't matter. Dumb remains Dumb.

The Warren Report?..... Are you serious? You are really that gullible?

The Warren Report cover up relies on testimony taken 5 months after the fact and that includes the Gus Rose story.

There is no first day evidence whatsoever about a Hidell ID in Oswald's wallet.

[Alan Ford]

  We just disagree. The Only thing putting Oswald outside the TSBD when the JFK Limo went by is Oswald himself claiming such.

Glad to see you have finally accepted the reality that he did indeed make that claim! 

His claim was suppressed by the authorities---a fact you can't explain. Just as you can't offer a reason why a shadow would have been added to Mr Lovelady in Wiegman. Just as you can't offer an alternative candidate for Prayer Man. Etc...

Mr Oswald claimed he went outside to watch the P. parade. His accusers claim he went up to 6 to fire on it. 57 years on from the obscenity of 11/22/63, Mr Oswald's claim is looking a whole lot like the stronger one! 

[Martin Weidmann]

  So you also believe Oswald being Q/A'd about the phony ID is also fabricated?

No, it doesn't have to be. First of all, we don't know what was actually said as there is no verbatim record. According to his report, written a week after the events, Fritz asked Oswald about the Hidell name, but he never showed him the actual document found in the wallet that Gus Rose was given. So, the Q/A could well be authentic, as far as the name is concerned, although there is no possible way to verify that. And without that verification, the Q/A, if it ever took place, can not support the conclusion that the Hidell ID card came from the wallet that was taken from Oswald in the car by Paul Bentley.

Btw, what is this BS about what I "also believe". Stop trying to put words in my mouth. Besides, it doesn't matter what I believe.

I look at the actual evidence and find that there is no mention of a Hidell ID having been found in the wallet taken from Oswald in the car in any first day DPD report. Paul Bentley went on television the day after Oswald's arrest and he claims that he found the "usual items" such as a credit card and a driver's license in the wallet, but no mention of a second ID.

As if that, by itself, isn't already strange enough, there also is no chain of custody at all for the wallet taken from Oswald. It simply disappears for a while without a trace. That's a totally incomprehensible state of affairs, given the fact that the Hidell ID plays such a significant part in the purchases of the rifle and revolver.... and, I might add, nothing else!

Then we get to the Gus Rose story. He testifies that he was off duty and that he was called in after Kennedy was murdered. When he arrived at the station, Oswald had already been brought in. For some, inexplicable reason, Rose, who was not involved in the arrest and thus had no direct involvement in the case, suddenly gets handed a wallet by a to this day unidentified uniformed officer (Rose thinks might have been "the patrolman who brought him in") who tells him it's Oswald's wallet. The problem with that is, that the officers who brought Oswald to the police station were all plainclothes detectives.

Just like they allegedly "found" the bus ticket and spare bullets for the revolver on Oswald, some three hours after he was brought in and first searched (they missed those items in the first search? Really?), and just like Hill allegedly walked around with the revolver taken from Oswald at the Texas Theater for two hours or so, before presenting a revolver to some men in the DPD lunchroom, as being Oswald's revolver, and just like the white jacket found at a carpark, with, again, no chain of custody, suddenly turning up, back in Westbrook's possession, as a grey jacket with initials on it of DPD officers who never actually handled the jacket.... this wallet suddenly showing up out of nowhere at the police station raises serious questions about the validity of the physical evidence.

Now add to the mix the story about the wallet found at the Tippit murder scene, which did contain two ID's; one for Oswald and the other for Hidell. LNs are quick to deny it's existence, but the fact remains there was mention of a second wallet linked to Oswald and the person who found this particular wallet was an uniformed policeofficer named Croy.

A good defense lawyer would have a field day with this information!