Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

IF (and it's still an if) Prayer Man in Wiegman is Mr. Oswald, just as he was Red Shirt Man in Hughes, then we can identify how the 'investigating' authorities made the easy identification of him on the steps impossible: using aerial imaging, they added fake shadow not just down Mr. Lovelady's side but down much of Mr. Oswald's body too.

And then they told Mr. Lovelady to pretend to have been in the Oswald spot, way over by the west wall of the doorway.

The above scenario would obviously have Mr. Oswald remain on the steps at least until the shots have been fired. As such, it fails to account for this confusing item we see in Wiegman:



What could this be?

[Alan Ford]

At the time these Hughes frames are taken,
-----------------Mr. Oswald is standing over west in the doorway, on the fourth step. He takes a sip of Coke. We see no flesh of his LEFT hand, because he is holding the flag behind him
-----------------A laid-back Mr. Lovelady is SITTING on one of the upper steps, content with getting a glimpse of Pres. Kennedy when he passes right by the building. He has a decent enough view, as there is no one standing in front of him.

But then, without warning, and just as Pres. Kennedy is about to come into Mr. Lovelady's view, Mr. Oswald blocks his view by waving a flag--not up high, but to his side

And this is what Towner shows. Look closely at the flag when it is at higher elevation------------we get a glimpse of Mr. Lovelady's shirt behind it. Because Mr. Lovelady is sitting there on one of the top steps, just like Mr. Shelley said:



As a result of having his view rudely blocked by what Mr. Oswald is waving right in front of him, Mr. Lovelady rises to his feet. Which is what is happening in these Bell frames, which show the doorway just seconds after Towner:

[Alan Ford]

And this is what Towner shows. Look closely at the flag when it is at higher elevation------------we get a glimpse of Mr. Lovelady's shirt behind it.

And not just his shirt: his head too-------------



Remember: if Mr. Lovelady is Red Shirt Man in Hughes, there shouldn't yet be anyone in that area behind where the flag is. But there is someone there. It's Mr. Lovelady, who is SITTING on one of the steps.

[Zeon Mason]

@Michael Welsh: I went back and found  page 252 of this thread is where Alan and myself and Chris began our discussion about the horizontal swath of red that we were seeing in the magnified GIF of Bell film and that it appeared that  (thru the foliage) perhaps 2 persons with reddish shirts were in proximity  to each ON THE FRONT STEPs!

Now Mr. Ford has proposed that Lovelady was SITTING at that time on the steps and I think I agree, because of the slight bit of red that’s on the left side of the white element just to the left of the blue shirt man on the pedestal as seen in Hughes film gif.

That would explain the anomaly of the shadow being added to Lovelady in Weigman film because Oswald was against the west wall when Lovelady was sitting on a few steps near the center handrail.

Lovelady stood up just in time to be seen in Weigman while at the same time Oswald was about to display his sign/banner and Oswald  had moved into the spot next to Lovelady which required Oswald be removed from Weigman film using some sort of method of darkening which resulted in thus weird shadow.

Question:

Why however the Cronkite version of Altgens 6 photo showing what appears to be a light skin tone forearm ( thus cannot be Carl Jones dark brown skin) with light gray sleeves  rolled up,( can’t be Jones either because his sleeves were NOT  rolled up)  holding a bottle?

[Chris Davidson]

After scaling and stabilizing that area, it appears as if the black gentleman against the west wall rises up possibly one step. Watch just to the left of the red clothing, it comes out from beneath the big shadow block. The orientation of those two appear to match what is seen in Hughes (except maybe the step up part) a few seconds earlier. But, still no ID on what appears to be the red shirted arm farthest east.
You may have to play it repeatedly for eye adjustments.
https://vimeo.com/870842433?share=copy

[Zeon Mason]

In the Towner film, There’s definitely some person behind the black man (Carl Jones?) at lower west side steps. This person is either moving or attempting to display something and this at the SAME TIME that the red and white shirt element  (Lovelady?)   by the center hand rail.

So it’s improbable imo that  it’s some kind of kind of motion blur effect of Lovelady moving from west wall to center handrail position.

[Michael Welch]

After scaling and stabilizing that area, it appears as if the black gentleman against the west wall rises up possibly one step. Watch just to the left of the red clothing, it comes out from beneath the big shadow block. The orientation of those two appear to match what is seen in Hughes (except maybe the step up part) a few seconds earlier. But, still no ID on what appears to be the red shirted arm farthest east.
You may have to play it repeatedly for eye adjustments.
https://vimeo.com/870842433?share=copy

Hi Chris and Zeon, This is a mystery lady in blue carrying a camera and Rosemary Willis in white and red, running from right to left, and they end up in between Billy and Maddie but are closer to the camera on the south side of Elm Street. They add the various blue or white, and red to Hughes. Thank you both for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael