Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Duncan MacRae]

[Royell Storing]

      Eyeball where that wall measures up to the guy in the white slacks. Now envision an adult seated on that bench directly behind the white slacks guy. The head/shoulders  of an adult seated on that bench would have been higher than the wall and therefore visible on photos/film footage of this area. No JFK assassination photos or film footage shows anyone seated on that bench. Sitzman is the only JFK Assassination eyewitness to have claimed to of seen anyone seated on that bench before and immediately after the assassination. If the sole claim of Sitzman is going to be accepted as Fact, is the sole claim of Gordon Arnold also being given this same rubber stamping?   

[Michael Welch]

Hi Duncan, Thank you for your reply! As far as I can tell, after studying this some more, Black Dog Man remains a Man. The young black couple are there, but further down by the wooden seat where they break their bottle or bottles which Marilyn hears and the liquid is seen on the concrete in Darnell. Thank you for your valuable input! With Much Gratitude and Admiration, Michael

[Royell Storing]

Hi Duncan, Thank you for your reply! As far as I can tell, after studying this some more, Black Dog Man remains a Man. The young black couple are there, but further down by the wooden seat where they break their bottle or bottles which Marilyn hears and the liquid is seen on the concrete in Darnell. Thank you for your valuable input! With Much Gratitude and Admiration, Michael

    Sitzman's claim of a Black Couple being seated on that bench NEVER mentioned a baby. Sitzman said as the JFK Limo went under the Triple Underpass, the Black Couple then got up and ran Up the steps as they threw their coke bottles down/breaking them. Again, NO MENTION of a baby being carried by either of these 2 people as they allegedly raced Up The Steps. (And, consider how foolishly difficult it would be to juggle a baby in 1 arm while taking the time to slam a coke bottle to the ground). Importantly, if this couple is running Up The Steps, they would be facing Sitzman. A baby being carried by 1 of them would clearly be visible. Sitzman probably saw a Black Couple doing all of this, (no baby), at a different point in time. Unfortunately, the gaping holes in the Sitzman story does Not stop people from latching onto it in order to try and explain The Black Dog Man. Remember when looking at any of the Black Dog Man photos, bear in mind that the portion of the picket fence that runs directly down toward Elm St actually extends further down toward Elm St than the Black Dog Man Nook/Position does. Any "light" blotches you see behind the Black Dog Man figure are actually in line with the Side of the picket fence. These light blotches are roughly in the same area that Gordon Arnold claimed to have been standing/filming that day. 

[Michael Welch]

@Michael Welch: Thank you for your input on Billy Lovelady in Weigman film and the Altgens 6 photo which do coincide.

But as Mr. Ford has already explained, the Hughes film had Lovelady right adjacent to the west wall and so it’s a question if Lovejady did actually move to the center handrail position during the Towner film and if that’s  the explanation for this swath of red seen thru the foliage in Towner film that’s too wide ti be just one person OR..

Are there TWO persons with reddish shirts and Oswald was the one in Hughes against the west wall while Lovelady was at the center hand rail ( middle ) of the steps but was obscured in Hughes film by the blue shirt man in the pedistal?

I think Alan and I arrived at this latter scenario because of the 4 anomalies in Altgens 6 photo and Weigman film:

1. The strange shadow on the right side of Lovelady’s body in Weigman film clip
2. The Cronkite version of Altgens 6 photo which shows what appears to be a forearm raised up with what looks like a bottle (darkhorizontal slash) that cuts across the white shirt part of Loveladys body.
3. The 2nd version of Altgens 6 photo which shows the firearm ( and bottle) have been basically erased by coloring over it with the shirt texture pattern of Loveladys shirt.
4. This right arm shirt sleeve of Loveladys has NO HAND at the end of it AND the end of the sleeve ( cuff) weirdly looks like it’s overlapping part of the face of the black man whom is supposed to be Carl Jones , ( big guy with cream colored long sleeve shirt ).

Hi Zeon, After studying the Hughes gif some more, there are not two people in red shirts. What happens is somebody, possibly Jay Skaggs, comes over from the right hand side and takes a picture. They end up in between Billy and Maddie but are actually closer to Elm Street. Do you happen to have a link to Conkrite's Altgens 6? Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Alan Ford]

[Mr. Doudna is] very right to query the assumption that Prayer Man in Wiegman must be the same person as Prayer Man in Darnell. For some time now I myself have been querying this assumption, which I suspect has caused no end of confusion.



PM/Darnell is on the landing; PM/Wiegman is down at least one step.
Their bodies are oriented differently (compare the position of the left elbows).

Friends, forget Prayer Woman in Darnell for a moment. (Of forever, if you're being sensible.)

Where exactly is Prayer-Man-in-Wiegman standing?



Not on the landing, that's for sure.
Look how low his right elbow goes when it's lowered. Look how close it comes to the narrow column of brickwork behind the white column.
And look at the height of this right elbow, when it's raised, in relation to the top of the black man in front's head.

Now compare Red Shirt Man in Hughes:



If he were to half-raise his LEFT arm the way Prayer Man in Wiegman's is raised, it would come up to the same height.
When he raises his RIGHT hand to his face the way Prayer Man in Wiegman does, it comes up to the same height.

Prayer Man in Wiegman appears to be standing on the same step (the fourth from the bottom) as Red Shirt Man in Hughes.

NB! Red Shirt Man in Hughes LOOKS closer to the black man than does Prayer Man in Wiegman. But that's only because of the different angles at which Messrs. Hughes & Wiegman are filming. Note that Red Shirt Man in Hughes is not in the black man's shade: he is catching all that direct sunlight. This would not be happening were he not at a significant distance behind him. Note also that Red Shirt Man in Hughes is right over close to the column and is still catching a whole lotta sunlight. (I point this out, in part, for the benefit of the fools who argued that Mr. Lovelady in Wiegman, over near the center rail, is half-shadowed due to 'natural shadow cast by the western column'---------complete fantasy.)

It appears that
------Prayer Man in Wiegman is on the fourth step up (same as Mr. Lovelady in the LATTER Wiegman frames)
------there is someone up on the landing behind him.

Just like the configuration we see in Hughes, where a head can be seen behind Red Shirt Man:



So: what is it that's stopping us from believing that Prayer Man in Wiegman is simply the same person as Red Shirt Man in Hughes?

Answer: shadow.

New Question: Can a person stand where Prayer Man in Wiegman is standing, and facing forward out of the doorway, without catching a healthy amount of direct sunlight on much of his body?

Red Shirt Man in Hughes certainly can't do it. So how is it that Prayer Man in Wiegman is able to pull it off?

[Alan Ford]

New Question: Can a person stand where Prayer Man in Wiegman is standing, and facing forward out of the doorway, without catching a healthy amount of direct sunlight on much of his body?

Red Shirt Man in Hughes certainly can't do it. So how is it that Prayer Man in Wiegman is able to pull it off?

Ah yes, shadow, shadow.

The preposterous shadow down Mr. Lovelady's side in Wiegman cannot be explained as a natural phenomenon. Only one serious attempt has been made to do so, and the results were, to put it mildly, less than happy:



IF (and it's still an if) Prayer Man in Wiegman is Mr. Oswald, just as he was Red Shirt Man in Hughes, then we can identify how the 'investigating' authorities made the easy identification of him on the steps impossible: using aerial imaging, they added fake shadow not just down Mr. Lovelady's side but down much of Mr. Oswald's body too.

And then they told Mr. Lovelady to pretend to have been in the Oswald spot, way over by the west wall of the doorway.