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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1864 on: January 22, 2022, 10:48:56 PM »
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Well considering the Hosty note is probably not some fabricated version,  since it’s apparent the Fritz was worried enough not to include such note, then the bottle must be a coke bottle.

So my attempt to reconcile Mrs Reid was probably a wasted effort 🙄

Since BW Frazier didn’t see any smaller lunch bag , what about Oswalds lunch?

If Mr Oswald carried a bag as described by Mr Frazier, then that bag could easily have contained a (wrapped) cheese sandwich and an apple (as well as the two curtain rods later found and tested for Mr Oswald's prints)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1864 on: January 22, 2022, 10:48:56 PM »


Offline Richard Gilbride

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1865 on: January 27, 2022, 08:51:35 PM »
Frederick Clements, back on March 14th, asked "Why is NBC refusing to release the original Wiegman and Darnell films?"

That's a good question, and personally I would attribute their ongoing refusal to Deep State arrogance. They are more than likely beholden to the CIA. All that the JFK research community requires is temporary access to these films, in order to obtain a digital scan of small portions of these films-  that show the TSBD front landing-  but NBC has set up the requirement that only an established film production company with a detailed project plan may be granted access to their newsreels. I still have my e-mails from January 10, 2018 when I contacted the NBC Archives.

This is information that belongs in the public domain, yet they act as if they're the privileged guardians of the information on this newsreel-  which was after all made for the purpose of public consumption, especially now since it's about such an important historical event as the Kennedy assassination. Personally I don't think this reluctance has anything to do with PrayerMan; instead it has to do with wanting to keep attention away from Book Depository personnel.

Over the next several months, in 2018, I contacted RFK Jr., talk show host Michael Savage, Representative Walter Jones, ARRB chair John Tunheim, filmmaker Ken Burns and Trump aide Roger Stone, appealing for their assistance accessing these NBC films. I explained the long-standing need to have the front landing personnel clarified (as best as possible) for the JFK research community, and assured them that the height argument-  which I detailed-  unequivocably demonstrated that Oswald could not have been on the landing. Nothing in the official narrative-  that he was up in the sniper's nest-  would be altered one bit. Yet the only response I ever received was from a secretary to Ken Burns, who explained that he was too busy with other projects at the time. Personally I concluded that the JFK assassination was still such a radioactive hot potato that nobody dared get involved looking into it.

My height argument is on pp. 6-7 of Death of the Lunchroom Hoax https://jfkinsidejob.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/DEATH%20OF%20THE%20LUNCHROOM%20HOAX%20_Final_.pdf  It estimated PrayerMan's height as 5' 2-1/2", and I know that John Mytton's computer graphic skills obtained an approximate value of 5'4". This is typical of a woman's height and way too short to be Lee Harvey Oswald. And there has been other film forensic work that correlates with the figure being a woman.

The onus-  the burden of proof-  is with the PrayerMan devotees. They are the ones who are required to come up with extraordinary proof for the extraordinary claim that this blurry figure is Lee Harvey Oswald. The fact that it is not goes right to the heart of the Hosty draft note, and their allegation that Oswald actually "went outside to watch the P. Parade"

The Sixth Floor Museum has had a digital scan of the Darnell newsreel available for public viewing for several years. They don't release copies of film frames due to copyright claims. Rather than attempt to persuade NBC, it would be more constructive, in my opinion, to persuade the Museum or the copyright holders that a few film frames need to be made publicly available.

I find it very strange that not one researcher, not to my knowledge, from among the PrayerMan devotees, has looked at the Museum's Darnell film and proclaimed that PrayerMan more closely resembles Oswald-  more than the blurry reproductions we have available on the internet. This would be shouted from the rooftops, if that were the case.

But it's not the case, is it?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1866 on: January 28, 2022, 03:29:23 AM »
My height argument is on pp. 6-7 of Death of the Lunchroom Hoax https://jfkinsidejob.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/DEATH%20OF%20THE%20LUNCHROOM%20HOAX%20_Final_.pdf  It estimated PrayerMan's height as 5' 2-1/2", and I know that John Mytton's computer graphic skills obtained an approximate value of 5'4".

So Mr Mytton is your go to guy on this, Mr Gilbride? This shows again how confused you get in your zeal to keep Mr Oswald away from that front entrance.

In the linked document you write (emphasis added):

The second empirical fact is that PrayerMan’s west arm moves downward, resembling a drinking motion, as Lovelady goes down a step. This is nicely
illustrated below in the photo-enhancement from Kamp’s essay. Importantly, we can see that the distance from his elbow to the west wall is roughly the same in both Wiegman and Darnell. So he didn’t retreat into the corner during the intervening 20 seconds between the two films.


The problem with this? Your hero Mr Mytton's 'computer graphic skills', upon which he based his height 'analysis', put Mr Oswald right back in the corner in Darnell.......................

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1866 on: January 28, 2022, 03:29:23 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1867 on: January 28, 2022, 08:37:16 PM »
Well, I've just sent off an e-mail to the Sixth Floor Museum, in hopes of furthering the question of the PrayerMan figure. Ideally I'll get contact information for the Darnell film copyright owners, and with that hopefully persuade them to copy a few frames for the general public's benefit. I should hear back from Stephen Fagin next week some time.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1868 on: January 28, 2022, 10:20:10 PM »
Has this person ever been identified?

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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1869 on: January 28, 2022, 11:36:49 PM »
Has this person ever been identified?

you mean 'prayerman' after he took off his shirt?  no, but really, 'prayerman' was just a dude off the street, trying to get a pic' o' da' prez' as he was goin' by that last mile+

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1870 on: January 29, 2022, 05:51:02 PM »
Possibly it was one of the Houston St. warehouse guys, Franklin Wester or Gordon Smith. I'm working on a distant memory from my (References & links to websites which contain pornographic images and/or abusive content directed at members of this Forum is strictly prohibited ) days around 2013, but I think neither of them acknowledged watching the motorcade. This photo looks like it was taken around 1:00 PM, so perhaps one of them walked up to the Depository to see what was going on. Just a guess. As far as I know there are no pictures of Wester or Smith, nor even Eddie Shields, who was the foreman down there. A bookkeeper in his 60s, H.S. Aiken, kept his office down there. Charles Givens occasionally also worked down there.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1871 on: January 29, 2022, 06:24:57 PM »
Possibly it was one of the Houston St. warehouse guys, Franklin Wester or Gordon Smith. I'm working on a distant memory from my (References & links to websites which contain pornographic images and/or abusive content directed at members of this Forum is strictly prohibited ) days around 2013, but I think neither of them acknowledged watching the motorcade. This photo looks like it was taken around 1:00 PM, so perhaps one of them walked up to the Depository to see what was going on. Just a guess. As far as I know there are no pictures of Wester or Smith, nor even Eddie Shields, who was the foreman down there. A bookkeeper in his 60s, H.S. Aiken, kept his office down there. Charles Givens occasionally also worked down there.

So prayerman was quiet possibly one of the tsbd guys that worked at the other warehouse? That destroys the prayerman theory.