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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1648 on: August 29, 2021, 03:14:41 AM »
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This says that Mr Shelley saw Mr Oswald periodically before noon, but never saw him after that. Right? NOPE. It only creates that impression by saying nothing at all about whether Mr Shelley saw Mr Oswald at the time of the actual shooting. The word "after" (the President's accident) does the crucial work of time-leaping misdirection here.



This says that the last time Mr Dougherty saw Mr Oswald was on the sixth floor shortly before noon. Right? NOPE. It only creates that impression via the phrase "after lunch". What's being left out here? Thanks to Mr Jack Dougherty's interview with Mr Gill Toff a few years after the assassination, we know the answer: Mr Dougherty's sighting of Mr Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom shortly before the motorcade (i.e. DURING lunch).



This says that the last time Mr Lovelady saw Mr Oswald was around 11:50am. Right? NOPE. It only creates that impression via the weasel word "contact".

It's how one reads ...


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1648 on: August 29, 2021, 03:14:41 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1649 on: August 29, 2021, 04:09:52 AM »
Mr. Ford , you are going to have to write a book soon :)

Thanks for additional information on these critical witnesses secondary and third party statements, which the WC JFK witness page unfortunately does
Not reference.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1650 on: August 29, 2021, 04:13:11 AM »
It's how one reads ...



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1651 on: August 30, 2021, 01:25:52 AM »
Now! Postal Inspector Harry D. Holmes recalled Mr Oswald in his final interrogation talking about a "First floor, front entrance" encounter with a cop.

What's interesting here is that Mr Holmes evidently has no sense that what he's saying is surprising or at odds with the official story. This is because he evidently has no recollection of Captain Fritz or anyone else challenging Mr Oswald on this or even expressing surprise that he was no longer confirming a second-floor lunchroom encounter (which the OFFICIAL first interrogation report by Agent Bookhout says he did).

EXPLANATION: Captain Fritz never challenged Mr Oswald on his key claims (pre-motorcade lunchroom visit - down to 1 for lunch - went outside to watch P. Parade - encounter with officer & Mr Truly at front entrance) because he was keeping his suspect in the dark as to what he was really being accused of.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1652 on: August 30, 2021, 09:50:32 PM »
But what about the NEXT day , Saturday when Oswald is being taken in the hallway and he’s stating that he “categorically denies these charges“?

Surely Oswald was by now been charged with some serious crime, therfore the reason for Oswald to make such statement?

Yet apparently not yet charged with shooting the POTUS, and that being reason not to shout his out front steps alibi?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1653 on: August 30, 2021, 10:03:17 PM »
But what about the NEXT day , Saturday when Oswald is being taken in the hallway and he’s stating that he “categorically denies these charges“?

Surely Oswald was by now been charged with some serious crime, therfore the reason for Oswald to make such statement?

Yet apparently not yet charged with shooting the POTUS, and that being reason not to shout his out front steps alibi?

As far as he is given to understand right up to his death on the Sunday, he is charged with shooting Officer Tippit and complicity (via rifle) in the murder of Pres. Kennedy. These are the charges he emphatically denies.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1654 on: August 30, 2021, 11:58:16 PM »
There is no statement as far (as I’m aware) in the JFK witness page from DPD officer Barnett about stopping an Oswald who was then “let go” because Truly vouched for him.

The time would have been between 2 min 30 sec post shots ( earliest) and 3 min sec ps ( latest) by Barnett’s own estimate, of himself locking the TSBD front door.
 Pierce Allman met the man he thinks was Oswald , just inside the front door, the door being partly open. ( his video statement)

But if this is Just literally after Baker/Truly entered, and Oswald is there in the doorway, apparently Allman was also oblivious to seeing Baker in the lobby or thru the clear glass doors (2nd set) when Allman does to the phones available in this 1st floor lobby area.


The timing for Allman to reasonably NOT have seen Baker in lobby or with Truly trying to open the counter top desk (thru the 2nd set of glass doors) would have to be approx 65-70 secs post shots when B/T are past this desk office area and traversing towards the rear elevators and stairwell. ( B/T just missed seeing Adams and Styles having exited a side door by the west elevator).

So my estimate for Pierce Allman of approx 60 sec post shots reaching the TSBD front door if the interview with Newmans is 30 sec or less, and distance is approx 250 ft or less is possibly verifiable via an 2013 or later interview with Allman.

Now why Mr Williams on one side and Pauline Sanders on the other side do not see Oswald or Truly is still a mystery :)


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1654 on: August 30, 2021, 11:58:16 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1655 on: August 31, 2021, 02:43:43 AM »
There is no statement as far (as I’m aware) in the JFK witness page from DPD officer Barnett about stopping an Oswald who was then “let go” because Truly vouched for him.

The time would have been between 2 min 30 sec post shots ( earliest) and 3 min sec ps ( latest) by Barnett’s own estimate, of himself locking the TSBD front door.
 Pierce Allman met the man he thinks was Oswald , just inside the front door, the door being partly open. ( his video statement)

But if this is Just literally after Baker/Truly entered, and Oswald is there in the doorway, apparently Allman was also oblivious to seeing Baker in the lobby or thru the clear glass doors (2nd set) when Allman does to the phones available in this 1st floor lobby area.


The timing for Allman to reasonably NOT have seen Baker in lobby or with Truly trying to open the counter top desk (thru the 2nd set of glass doors) would have to be approx 65-70 secs post shots when B/T are past this desk office area and traversing towards the rear elevators and stairwell. ( B/T just missed seeing Adams and Styles having exited a side door by the west elevator).

So my estimate for Pierce Allman of approx 60 sec post shots reaching the TSBD front door if the interview with Newmans is 30 sec or less, and distance is approx 250 ft or less is possibly verifiable via an 2013 or later interview with Allman.

Not sure what the big issue is here, Mr Mason. Mr Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade; just after the shooting he had the encounter with Officer Baker & Mr Truly at the front entrance; he remained in that area a little longer; then came another man running up the steps asking for guidance.

Now in between the Baker-Truly encounter and the 'Where's the telephone?' encounter it's possible Mr Oswald nipped into the small storage room just by the front stairs (to retrieve something? or dispose of his coke bottle & lunch remains? to check on the curtain rods he had left there?) and was seen there by Mr Ochus Campbell and whoever Mr Campbell had come running in with (Ms Reid perhaps--------was this the real site of her 'Somebody shot the President' encounter with Mr Oswald?).

Alternatively, the first-floor storage room may have been a crude first re-draft of the actual front entrance encounter-----------to be replaced within hours with the more considered fiction of a second-floor lunchroom encounter

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Now why Mr Williams on one side and Pauline Sanders on the other side do not see Oswald or Truly is still a mystery :)

Not a single person on the steps at the time will go on the record with a recollection of having seen both Officer Baker and Mr Truly running into the building. For some, one can allow that their focus of attention was elsewhere. But for everyone, including Mr Frazier? Quite a stretch, isn't it?

Mr Lovelady's remarks to Mr Jarman explains the weird invisibility of the two men: they had their encounter with Mr Oswald right there, at the front entrance. Just like Mr Oswald said.

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