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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #752 on: January 08, 2021, 11:35:25 PM »
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Lee had no idea that shots had been fired and was perplexed at seeing Baker burst into the second floor lunchroom with his gun  in his hand.   Since He was ignorant and in the dark about the events unfolding outside, he simply assumed that the Parade was passing by  and so he went outside to watch.....

Ah, so the encounter with Ms Reid, in which she told him JFK had been shot, never happened?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #752 on: January 08, 2021, 11:35:25 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #753 on: January 09, 2021, 12:23:07 AM »
I dont see any problem with Oswald eating lunch in the Domino room having seen Norman and Jarman returning at approx 12:23 as they  passed by the Domino room ( they left front of TSBD approx 12:22 after overhearing a police radio reporting JFK motorcade was soon arriving to Dealey Plaza.

Imo, Oswald getting a Dr. Pepper bottle from the 1st floor machine just before going out to front entrance is is plausible because of coincidence of the Dr. Pepper bottle found at just at step and west side wall where PM was standing in Weigman and where PM would have stepped down to get photographed  with arm raised with bottle in hand.

If the original version of Altgens was clear enough to discern not only that the raised arm with bottle in hand was definitely BEHIND the face of Lewis , But that there was also a portion of the solid white Dr. Pepper bottle logo VISIBLE in that hand.....OMG... it’s Oswald!!!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #754 on: January 09, 2021, 01:02:21 AM »
Ah, so the encounter with Ms Reid, in which she told him JFK had been shot, never happened?

I don't know.... But I'm very doubtful that Mrs Reid saw Lee walking through the office area.   He said that he went to the second floor to gat a coke to go with his lunch....So I seriously doubt that he would have passed through thre office area on his way back down to finish his lunch. ......AND IF he had encountered Mrs Reid...he would certainly have told his interrogators that Mrs Reid could verify that he had a coke in his hands after his encounter with officer Baker. ( and she did in fact say that he had a coke AFTER she was told that Lee said that he had bought a coke from the coke machine in the 2nd lunchroom )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #755 on: January 09, 2021, 01:42:55 AM »
I dont see any problem with Oswald eating lunch in the Domino room having seen Norman and Jarman returning at approx 12:23 as they  passed by the Domino room ( they left front of TSBD approx 12:22 after overhearing a police radio reporting JFK motorcade was soon arriving to Dealey Plaza.

Imo, Oswald getting a Dr. Pepper bottle from the 1st floor machine just before going out to front entrance is is plausible because of coincidence of the Dr. Pepper bottle found at just at step and west side wall where PM was standing in Weigman and where PM would have stepped down to get photographed  with arm raised with bottle in hand.

If the original version of Altgens was clear enough to discern not only that the raised arm with bottle in hand was definitely BEHIND the face of Lewis , But that there was also a portion of the solid white Dr. Pepper bottle logo VISIBLE in that hand.....OMG... it’s Oswald!!!

I dont see any problem with Oswald eating lunch in the Domino room having seen Norman and Jarman returning at approx 12:23 as they  passed by the Domino room

It was after he saw Jarman and Norman pass by the Domino room that Lee decided that he wanted a coke to go with his sandwich, and he then went to the second floor lunchroom to buy that coke. He apparently went to the second floor about 12:28 and he was there when Baker burst into the lunchroom with his revolver in his hand., about 90 seconds after the first shot was fired.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #756 on: January 09, 2021, 06:39:22 AM »
If the late Mr.Doyles alleged interview with relatives of Sarah Stanton is true, then Sarah Stanton saw Oswald with a “Pepsi” in hand on the 2nd floor landing BEFORE the lunchroom had cleared of all the office women. Time of observation by Stanton was probably not later than 12:10

So if Oswald already had a bottle in hand  at 12:10 Then it most likely came  from the 1st floor Dr. Pepper machine, otherwise,  Stanton and other office women still in the lunchroom  around 12:00-12:15 would have seen Oswald ENTER the lunchroom , go to the machine and buy a coke.

Seeing the lunchroom was still occupied, perhaps Oswald decided to return to the Domino room.

Carolyn Arnold’s account of returning!? To lunchroom at 12:15 is in conflict with Virgie Rackeys FBI statement of Arnold leaving the office with her presumably together and no account of Arnold separating from Rackley upon exiting the front office door.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #757 on: January 09, 2021, 07:02:29 AM »
The fluffy white shirt person being on the East side of the center rail would consistent with Stanton having been at least momentarily beside Pauline Sanders in front of the TSBD entrance door

As I have speculated the fat lady would probably not stay blocking the front door, and would move to some other location, therefore moving down a few step from the front door would place Stanton where fluffy white shirt person is in the Altgens photo.

The item around the neck may very well be a scarf








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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #758 on: January 09, 2021, 12:55:51 PM »
I don't know.... But I'm very doubtful that Mrs Reid saw Lee walking through the office area.   He said that he went to the second floor to gat a coke to go with his lunch....So I seriously doubt that he would have passed through thre office area on his way back down to finish his lunch.

So why did Ms Reid invent the encounter? For kicks?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #759 on: January 09, 2021, 01:00:43 PM »
Imo, Oswald getting a Dr. Pepper bottle from the 1st floor machine just before going out to front entrance is is plausible because of coincidence of the Dr. Pepper bottle found at just at step and west side wall where PM was standing in Weigman and where PM would have stepped down to get photographed  with arm raised with bottle in hand.

If the original version of Altgens was clear enough to discern not only that the raised arm with bottle in hand was definitely BEHIND the face of Lewis , But that there was also a portion of the solid white Dr. Pepper bottle logo VISIBLE in that hand.....OMG... it’s Oswald!!!

The Dr Pepper is a red herring. Mr Oswald made it clear to Captain Fritz that he bought a Coke from the second floor lunchroom. The machine there did not sell Dr Pepper.