Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Dan O'meara]

No one is talking about a lunchroom encounter----------because it hasn't been invented yet.

When is it invented and who invents it?
Who is involved in this fake hoax you keep waffling on about?

[Alan Ford]

Mr. BAKER - On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us.
Mr. DULLES - Were they white men?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.

Who on earth were these two white men?

[Dan O'meara]

Mr. BAKER - On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us.
Mr. DULLES - Were they white men?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.

Who on earth were these two white men?

Come on Alan. You're constantly waffling on about the made up lunchroom encounter.

Who made it up?
When did they make it up?
Who was involved?

If you don't have a clue just say so.
That will suffice as an answer.

[Zeon Mason]

Otis Neville Williams FBI statement March 19 1964, suggests he was “momentarily” remaining standing at the front entrance ( next to Pauline Sanders) just after hearing 3 shots. He then went back into the building and up to his 2nd floor office.

So not only is Williams a good candidate for being in the front lobby within 30 secs post shots, but his reference to Mrs Sanders is a supporting argument that Sarah Stanton DID move away from Pauline Sanders to some other location, which as Mr.Ford has posited is possibly the steps just east of the center handrail, an Stanton is  the fluffy white shirt person with both hands raised shading the face.

The other candidate IDK , because Molina did NOT see Baker and Molina states only seeing Truly go IN to the building which implies Molina is still OUTSIDE.

Mr. Campbell possibly might have returned before Baker buts it’s unlikely imo, as Campbell ran to the GK and I think in the Couch film background as Couch camera pans towards the GK , a man with hat and suit on is seen running Right hand side past the Stemmons freeway sign.

It’s definitely NOT Mr. Shelley and Billy Lovelady, as they are walking away in from the steps as Baker is seen in Couch film running to the TSBD entrance steps

Doubtful that BW Frazier was the 2nd man now INSIDE and in the frint foyer , because surely even fuzzy memory Frazier would have remembered Truly and Baker in that case.

I noticed in reading the 3 FBI statements from Otis Neville Williams that the March 19/64 one seems to include an FBI “deniability” clause specifically about NOT seeing Oswald. However, after  this “do not recall” clause, Williams curiously  states  that he MAY have seen Oswald in the TSBD but is basically unsure what the EXACT day it was!?

[Dan O'meara]

Stanton is  the fluffy white shirt person with both hands raised shading the face.

 

The man in the white shirt shielding his eyes on top of the TSBD front steps is Joe Molina.

"Mr. BALL. Did you go out on the street to see the motorcade?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes. I was standing on the front steps.
Mr. BALL. With whom?
Mr. MOLINA. Right next left of me was Mr. Williams and close to there was Mrs. Sanders.
Mr. BALL. Pauline Sanders.
Mr. MOLINA. Yes."

[Zeon Mason]

Fluffy white shirt person”  phrase is all that I can take credit for

Mr. Ford is the one who proposed this location on the front steps for Sarah Stanton, in response to my question where is Sarah Stanton if PM is now considered to be Oswald?

As for Molina, if Williams and Sanders are to his left, then does not that place Molina on the top level landing rather than several steps down?

Fluffy white shirt person is short enough to be Stanton imo, but the forearms somewhat questionable if they are “flabby” enough to belong to the fat lady.

[Walt Cakebread]

Mr. BAKER - On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us.
Mr. DULLES - Were they white men?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.

Who on earth were these two white men?

Alan, I've reread the "second floor lunchroom" tale in the W.R. ( pages 149-156) and there certainly seems to be major problems with Baker's story....  Particularly with his tale of spotting Lee walking east in the small vestibule which was at the west end of the lunchroom.   That vestibule was so small ( about 4 feet across) that it could be traversed with about two normal steps....  Baker said that he caught a fleeting glimpse of a man walking across the vestibule so he walked across the area at the top of the stairs to the west door into the lunch room and saw the man (Lee Oswald) walking toward the rear ( east end) of the lunchroom, and ordered him to "come here".   Problem.....If Lee was a fleeing killer he could easily have exited out the north door (which was just a couple of feet east of the Coke machine) of the lunchroom,  before Baker could have crossed the second floor landing....

The distance from the door at the west end of the lunchroom to the door just east of the coke machine was about 12 feet, while the distance from the top of the stairs to the door at the west end of the lunchroom was about 25 feet and Baker had to open the vestibule door .   

Bottom line:... In reality, If Lee had been a fleeing assassin and there was any validity to the tale....Lee wouldn't have been in that lunchroom....  He would have exited the lunchroom through the north door, before Baker could have reached the Vestibule door.

It appears that you may be onto a major flaw in the official tale....  Can you post some of the info from the WR...