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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #854 on: January 15, 2021, 07:57:18 PM »
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m3.htm

MARRION BAKER AFFIDAVIT

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THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around.

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I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor

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I saw a man walking away from the stairway.

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I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #855 on: January 15, 2021, 08:27:02 PM »
I've noticed you are really pedantic about little details and I wonder if you're familiar with the concept of sarcasm. Sarcasm can be seen as saying something that  is completely the opposite of what you actually mean as a way to emphasise what you actually mean. To clarify - I'm not actually asking you to believe that Oswald is out front with all his work colleagues interacting in a positive way with them as if he was a really sociable, easy-going guy. I'm actually saying the opposite thing. I honestly thought this would be totally clear as the whole post up to that moment was a litany of testimonial evidence demonstrating how Oswald was perceived as, for want of a better word, unsociable. Statement after statement clearly demonstrating (or so I thought) that Oswald didn't like the company of his work colleagues. As I thought it was blindingly obvious, in the light of the substantial amount of evidence on display, that Oswald would rather blow his own brains out than spend time with his work colleagues, I made up a non-existent, sarcastic scenario to emphasise this point. (when I say "blow his own brains out" this is not sarcasm, this is a 'figure of speech' and is not to be taken literally).
The addition of William Shelley in this scenario was an extrapolation made from Oswald's supposed testimony as recorded in Fritz's notes where he specifically singles out William Shelley - "out with Bill Shelley in front"
The bit at the end where I say "Mind you it was a lovely day and Jackie did look gorgeous in pink" is also sarcasm. I'll keep it to a minimum if future.

"Where do you get "contempt"?"

If you were to approach a work colleague and said "Good Morning" in a friendly way and that person, even though they heard you, didn't react in any way. They just blanked your existence. What word do you use for that? I use 'contempt'.

"Or he was just a shy introvert"

You believe the testimonies of all those work colleagues are describing a shy person? If a person is shy you use the word 'shy' to describe them. Show me one example, from the copious amount of testimony about Oswald, where one of his colleagues uses the word 'shy'.
Oswald in an antisocial, arrogant loser.

"Mind you it was a lovely day and Jackie did look gorgeous in pink" is also sarcasm.
>> Kinda, sorta... maybe more like 'bitter irony'

'Aside from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?'
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #856 on: January 15, 2021, 08:31:50 PM »
Exactly-------he doesn't say "Just after I entered I saw" or anything like that. He uses the word "as".  Thumb1:

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I didn't post the affidavit in support of any particular POV

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #857 on: January 15, 2021, 09:39:54 PM »
I didn't post the affidavit in support of any particular POV

Never-the-less....Baker's affidavit DOES support a certain POV.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #858 on: January 15, 2021, 09:44:48 PM »
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m3.htm

MARRION BAKER AFFIDAVIT

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963
/s/ Mary Rattan
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

As I entered.....   Would that be future.....present or past   ??   

Future....As I was about to enter....

Present....As I was entering

Past......As I entered

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #859 on: January 15, 2021, 09:52:50 PM »
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m3.htm

MARRION BAKER AFFIDAVIT

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963
/s/ Mary Rattan
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were.

There was a sign in the foyer at the bottom of the stairs, with an arrow that pointed to the stairs..... Those stairs only went to the second floor....But How did Baker know that?...And HOW did Truly know that Baker wanted to go to the roof of the TSBD.  ???

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #860 on: January 15, 2021, 10:44:39 PM »
I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were.

There was a sign in the foyer at the bottom of the stairs, with an arrow that pointed to the stairs..... Those stairs only went to the second floor....But How did Baker know that?...And HOW did Truly know that Baker wanted to go to the roof of the TSBD.  ???

It's really very simple..........................

The afternoon of the assassination, four stories are being told:
-----------Mr Oswald visited the second floor lunchroom before the P. Parade, then went down to the first floor and then went out to watch the P. Parade
-----------Just after the shooting, Mr Oswald was stopped by an officer at the front entrance of the building but cleared by the building manager
-----------Just after the shooting, Mr Oswald was seen in a (small) storage room on the first floor
-----------Officer Baker encountered a man walking away from the stairway on the third or fourth floor

No one is talking about a lunchroom encounter----------because it hasn't been invented yet.
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