Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #483 on: September 18, 2020, 05:13:28 PM »
Friends, we have known for some time now that all the 'Fritz notes' of Mr Oswald's interrogations are not his own notes---------------

Though they are indeed in Captain Fritz's handwriting, they derive their contents from FBI Agent James Bookhout's series of solo reports.

However, p. 1 has always presented an anomaly, as it does not correspond nearly as closely as the other pages to the first published Bookhout solo report.

Well! There's a curious feature on this p.1 that gives us a clue as to how all the 'Fritz notes' came to be written down:



Captain Fritz is not copying or digesting directly from a written source he has in front of him. No---------he is scribbling this stuff down as he listens. Hence a) the ridiculous misspelling (unthinkable from a trained FBI agent!) of 'writing' as 'wrighting'; b) the phonetic first attempt at the unfamiliar name 'Bookhout' ("B.O.").

Conclusion!

Captain Fritz is either listening to someone reading out a report or listening to the playback of a dictated report.

Either way, he is not copying down Agent Bookhout's contemporaneous notes (i.e. notes taken during the actual session).

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #484 on: September 18, 2020, 10:39:32 PM »
  No---------he is scribbling this stuff down as he listens
By his own admission ..that is not true.
The scribble is from memory [some time later] Maybe that evening.
There was no recording.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #485 on: September 20, 2020, 12:11:21 PM »
By his own admission ..that is not true.
The scribble is from memory [some time later] Maybe that evening.
There was no recording.

No recording of what?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #486 on: September 20, 2020, 04:58:42 PM »
Now!

We know from Agent Hosty's handwritten draft report that Mr Oswald--------------in that first interrogation--------------told Captain Fritz he "went outside to watch P. Parade".

However, in the first published interrogation report-----------------the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty-----------------this fact is carefully danced around: Mr Oswald with helpful vagueness merely gave "first floor" as his location when Mr Kennedy passed the building. Furthermore, the name "Bill Shelley" is studiously avoided. But! We see it here handwritten at the top:



Mr Shelley is relevant to but cannot be mentioned in this report of Mr Oswald's first interrogation.

In Agent Bookhout's subsequent solo report, Mr Shelley's name is included but in a way that suppresses the true context in which Mr Oswald named him.

What is that true context? Why, Mr Oswald names Mr Shelley as someone who was out on the front steps at the time he (Mr Oswald) went out there-------------i.e. at the time of the shooting.

But there were plenty of people out on those front steps at the time. So why does Mr Oswald single Mr Shelley out for special mention?

Apart from the obvious fact that Mr Shelley is his supervisor, there's also this fact to consider:

Just over an hour previously, Mr Oswald has been brought into the Homicide Office:



In this footage, we see that he is not brought straight into the back room. The reason is that there is already someone in there having their statement taken. That person we know from the documentary record to be Mr Bill Shelley. The room must be cleared before Mr Oswald can be brought in.

Had the camera kept filming this scene a little longer, we would see Mr Shelley being brought out of the back room, right in front of Mr Oswald, and Mr Oswald then being brought in.

Mr Oswald therefore has seen Mr Shelley at DPD HQ and now, in interrogation, is-----------sensibly enough-----------naming him as someone from whom Captain Fritz can easily ask for confirmation of Mr Oswald's whereabouts at the time of the shooting: front steps.

Small wonder Mr Shelley is designated a Key Person at the top of that first interrogation report!

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #487 on: September 25, 2020, 06:26:43 AM »
What’s really confusing is Bill Shelly WC testimony vs Charles Givens WC testimony

Shelly says to the effect he saw Oswald at 10 till 12 When Shelly WENT DOWN to the 1st floor to eat his lunch.

There was oddly no follow up
question to Shelly to
more specifically state if that meant  seeing Oswald “on the 1st floor at 10 till 12 or on the 6th floor

Givens WC testimony is agreeing with the time 11:55 of seeing Oswald on 6th floor after having seen him at 11:45 on the 5th floor as all others from
6th floor were taking elevator down at which time allegedly, Oswald shouted to send elevator back up. And Givens then goes back up to get cigarettes he left and sees Oswald and Oswald says AGAIN?! to
Send elevator back up rather than ride down with Givens. WTF???

Me thinks somebody is a BS Lion


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #488 on: September 25, 2020, 08:26:09 PM »
Givens originally told the FBI that he saw Oswald on the first floor in the domino room at 11:50.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #489 on: September 25, 2020, 08:41:22 PM »
Eddie Piper has him on the first floor at noon:

    Mr. BALL. Was that the last time you saw him?
    Mr. PIPER. Just at 12 o'clock.
    Mr. BALL. Where were you at 12 o'clock?
    Mr. PIPER. Down on the first floor.
    Mr. BALL. What was he doing?
    Mr. PIPER. Well, I said to him---"It's about lunch time. I believe I'll go have lunch." So, he says, "Yeah"---he mumbled something---I don't know whether he said he was going up or going out, so I got my sandwich off of the radiator and went on back to the first window of the first floor.