Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #175 on: August 01, 2020, 08:21:26 PM »
'he was inside the building when the assassination took place'

I agree
It's hard not to. Video evidence of Oswald specifically stating it is difficult to circumnavigate.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #176 on: August 01, 2020, 08:22:34 PM »
I agree with all the statements Oswald makes in these videos. I don't believe he shot anybody. After seeing Jarman and Norman come in it seems more likely he went up to the second floor lunchroom. What is definite is that he didn't go outside to watch the parade (parade?) as we have video evidence of him specifically stating he was inside the building when the assassination took place. Something you have completely avoided dealing with.
(Fido sounds like a character, hope he's doing good)

On the contrary, I take the wrongly accused at his word, essentially believing that he indeed was in the building approaching the front door to head outside at the precise time of the shooting sequence. As he came completely through the door to take up his Prayer Man position Mr. Weigman (Dave) followed by Mr. Darnell (Jimmy, RIP) traveling multiples spots behind the presidential limousine in camera cars 10 & 11 respectively capture him on film after the shooting sequence. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #177 on: August 01, 2020, 08:46:19 PM »
It's hard not to. Video evidence of Oswald specifically stating it is difficult to circumnavigate.

He said it so it must be true.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #178 on: August 01, 2020, 08:52:41 PM »
Mr. Chapman, please view the astute response by Mr. Ford in Reply No. 133 within this thread (pg 14)

I've never seen an astute response by any of you lot.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #179 on: August 01, 2020, 09:23:02 PM »
Whereas only one lone witness, Mr. Piper (Eddie) says he saw Roy Truly at the rear stairs, two problems still exists for the hastily contrived script:

(1) Mr. Piper's testimony merely accounts for some guy accompanying Roy Truly, with an inference upon he was wearing street clothes instead of an unmistakable uniformed-dressed motorcycle policeman in an obvious white-helmet & long black-boots).

(2) Mr. Piper also reveals that his sighting of Roy Truly comes several minutes after the shooting sequence, so much for the immediate mad dash upstairs.

Again, a more likely scenario given the reveal of the wrongly accused actually being outside (not to mention that no one else can be accounted for standing in Prayer Man's position per all of the CE 1381 statements )

He slips back inside, taking up a position near the first-floor storage room amid his shock & disbelief about what just happened. He is sighted here by Mr. Campbell and his party returning inside the building. Given the first-floor storage room's close proximity to the first-floor elevator in the front of the building, he is "this man" who comes to the aid of Inspector Sawyer who enters the building at 12:34PM. WC counsel didn't seem interested in identifying Inspector Sawyer's, quote "this man", quickly steering the questioning elsewhere during Inspector Sawyer's testimony.

Later the officials realize they still have a problem when word gets back to them that a Ms. Judy McCully just happened to see Inspector Sawyer's entourage disembark from the elevator on the 4th floor (her statement was subsequently changed to being outside rather than upstairs to avoid the reality that she actually saw the wrongly accused). 

Upon returning downstairs after assisting Inspector Sawyer, the wrongly accused continues to be helpful: aiding Mr. Allman and subsequently Mr. MacNeil (Robert), giving them directions to where they may use a phone, then continues past Mr. MacNeil outside, where he spends 5-10 minutes with Mr. Shelley.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #180 on: August 01, 2020, 10:47:08 PM »
On the contrary, I take the wrongly accused at his word, essentially believing that he indeed was in the building approaching the front door to head outside at the precise time of the shooting sequence. As he came completely through the door to take up his Prayer Man position Mr. Weigman (Dave) followed by Mr. Darnell (Jimmy, RIP) traveling multiples spots behind the presidential limousine in camera cars 10 & 11 respectively capture him on film after the shooting sequence. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sorry Alan but once again this has the whiff of Magical Thinking. That is to say, something you are making up because you really want it to be true. But it does bring up an important point I'm unaware of which is how the Wiegman film is synchronised with the assassination. Let's have a look and see if your claim that Wiegman and Darnell " respectively capture him on film after the shooting sequence" holds up.
The obvious marker for the assassination is the shots which most TSBD witnesses claim to hear. Starting with Altgens 6, we see Billy Lovelady leaning out to get a better look at the Presidential limo but, more importantly, we see Carl Edward Jones looking off to the left. Altgens 6 can be synchronised approximately with z255-z260 in Zapruder:



In the Wiegman Gif below we can see Lovelady moving down to the position we see him in Altgens but the important point is that Carl Jones is still looking to his right. It is safe to assume the Wiegman image with Lovelady in the lower position is taken just before Altgens. The first Wiegman image, with Lovelady in the higher position is taken approximately 4 seconds before the second. From this we can conclude that the Shadow Person is in position before the shot that hits JFK in the back and the head-shot thus blowing your claim out of the water:



The last tiny thread you are hanging on to is whether the Shadow Person is in position before the first shot. Even if this can be demonstrated to be the case (which I don't think it can) Oswald's own words, that he was in the building for the assassination, demonstrate he is not Prayer Man.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #181 on: August 01, 2020, 11:34:30 PM »
 At best, those of us watching the president reacting to his throat wound in that famous Altgens 6 photo only see the Vice-Presidential follow up car in the frame, with considerable distance between it and the other cars traveling behind it in the parade procession still not even in view yet...

... including the one Mr. Weigman travels in (further behind at least two others in the procession, the Dallas Mayor's car and the National Press Pool Car as well). 

Upon the president's movement to clutch his throat as seen in Altgen's 6, the coup de grāce comes immediately afterwards.  So much so that even Marrion Baker, who is travellng well ahead of both Mr. Weigman and Mr. Darnell  hadn't even reached the point to even park his motorcycle yet. That's more than enough time for the wrongly accused to slip out into autumn air upon a tragic scene unfolding around him.