Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan J. Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #126 on: July 26, 2020, 11:42:40 PM »
Then went outside to watch P. parade -- Lee Harvey Oswald

A more likely timeline sequence of actual events that afternoon:

12:25PM: The wrongly accused, from his vantage point in the downstairs lunchroom in the back of the building, observes Mr. Jarman & Mr. Norman retracing their steps back into the building.

12:28PM: Responsibly cleans up after himself in the downstairs lunchroom, then slips out front per his own admission, quote, Then went outside to watch P. parade

12:31-32PM: Returns inside the building, stands just outside the first-floor storage room, amid shock & disbelief about what just unfolded. Is noticed in this downstairs area by Mr. Campbell and his accompanying party as they return inside the building.

12:34PM: Comes to the aid of Inspector Sawyer ----->

Mr. BELIN. What did you do then?
Mr. SAWYER. Immediately went into---well, talked to some of the officers around there who told me the story that they had thought some shots had come from one of the floors in the building, and I think the fifth floor was mentioned, but nobody seemed to know who the shots were directed at or what had actually happened, except there had been a shooting there at the time the President's motorcade had gone by.
And I went with a couple of officers and a man who I believed worked in the building. The elevator was just to the right of the main entrance, and we went to the top floor, which was pointed out to me by this other man as being the floor that we were talking about. We had talked about the fifth floor. And we went back to the storage area and looked around and didn't see anything.
Mr. BELIN. Now you took an elevator up, is that correct?
Mr. SAWYER. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. The route that you took to the elevator, you went to the front door?
Mr. SAWYER. Right.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. SAWYER. We got into the elevator. We run into this man.
Mr. BELIN. Well, when you say you got into the elevator, where was the elevator as you walked in the front door?
Mr. SAWYER. It was to the right.
Mr. BELIN. To the right?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, sir.


12:36PM: Comes to the aid of local newsman personality Mr. Allman (Pierce), directing him to where the phones are.

12:37PM: A short while later, Now comes to the aid of Mr. MacNeil (Robert) ---->

“As I ran up the steps, this young guy in shirt sleeves came out. I said, ‘where is there a phone?’ He said, ‘you better ask inside,” MacNeil said. “I didn’t register his face because I was obsessed with finding a phone. . . . Much later, it occurred to me that I was going in just about the time Oswald had been going out.”

"went outside and stood around for 5 or 10 minutes with Bill Shelley"  --  The wrongly accused

Obviously Shelley would deny this. Obviously Inspector Sawyer couldn't identify "A Man", (nor dd WC counsel Belin seem interested in identifying, quote, This Man, either).

When we connect the dots from where the wrongly accused establishes his airtight alibi, quote, Then went outside to watch P. parade, it lines up rather cohesively with where he is later sighted at the downstairs storage room, then in close proximity to the first-floor elevators brb...more to follow...

Then when we take the bombshell revelation of Ms. Judith McCully into consideration, where she stands firm now that she was indeed upstairs in her office, which just so happens to be right off the elevator when Mr. Sawyer and "This man" disembark on the 4th floor, Did Ms. McCully's observations run counter to the hastily contrived script rearing its head two flights below and in the rear of the building as oppose to "A man"'s actual position? Did the authorities help Ms. McCully to see the "light" a couple of months later when she changed her initial statement? to comply with she couldn't have seen "This man" because she was downstairs all along...

Back next weekend G-d willing to reengage. Off here for now ladies & gentlemen, be safe everyone & stay healthy amid the ongoing pandemic challenges. The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.







« Last Edit: July 27, 2020, 12:16:03 AM by Alan J. Ford »

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #127 on: July 27, 2020, 01:21:27 AM »
It's as though you're trying to be like John but you don't really know what you're doing. The answer "I'm using my eyes and I can see that the person is completely in shadow" is not going to cut it with someone asking this type of question. I'm sure you'll counter with "How do you know you're using your eyes?"
Is there any reason you might think the Shadow Person is not completely in shadow?

The simple addition of “in my opinion” would resolve a lot of these conflicts you keep having.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #128 on: July 27, 2020, 01:37:12 AM »
Then went outside to watch P. parade -- Lee Harvey Oswald

A more likely timeline sequence of actual events that afternoon:

12:25PM: The wrongly accused, from his vantage point in the downstairs lunchroom in the back of the building, observes Mr. Jarman & Mr. Norman retracing their steps back into the building.

12:28PM: Responsibly cleans up after himself in the downstairs lunchroom, then slips out front per his own admission, quote, Then went outside to watch P. parade

12:31-32PM: Returns inside the building, stands just outside the first-floor storage room, amid shock & disbelief about what just unfolded. Is noticed in this downstairs area by Mr. Campbell and his accompanying party as they return inside the building.

12:34PM: Comes to the aid of Inspector Sawyer ----->

Mr. BELIN. What did you do then?
Mr. SAWYER. Immediately went into---well, talked to some of the officers around there who told me the story that they had thought some shots had come from one of the floors in the building, and I think the fifth floor was mentioned, but nobody seemed to know who the shots were directed at or what had actually happened, except there had been a shooting there at the time the President's motorcade had gone by.
And I went with a couple of officers and a man who I believed worked in the building. The elevator was just to the right of the main entrance, and we went to the top floor, which was pointed out to me by this other man as being the floor that we were talking about. We had talked about the fifth floor. And we went back to the storage area and looked around and didn't see anything.
Mr. BELIN. Now you took an elevator up, is that correct?
Mr. SAWYER. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. The route that you took to the elevator, you went to the front door?
Mr. SAWYER. Right.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. SAWYER. We got into the elevator. We run into this man.
Mr. BELIN. Well, when you say you got into the elevator, where was the elevator as you walked in the front door?
Mr. SAWYER. It was to the right.
Mr. BELIN. To the right?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, sir.


12:36PM: Comes to the aid of local newsman personality Mr. Allman (Pierce), directing him to where the phones are.

12:37PM: A short while later, Now comes to the aid of Mr. MacNeil (Robert) ---->

“As I ran up the steps, this young guy in shirt sleeves came out. I said, ‘where is there a phone?’ He said, ‘you better ask inside,” MacNeil said. “I didn’t register his face because I was obsessed with finding a phone. . . . Much later, it occurred to me that I was going in just about the time Oswald had been going out.”

"went outside and stood around for 5 or 10 minutes with Bill Shelley"  --  The wrongly accused

Obviously Shelley would deny this. Obviously Inspector Sawyer couldn't identify "A Man", (nor dd WC counsel Belin seem interested in identifying, quote, This Man, either).

When we connect the dots from where the wrongly accused establishes his airtight alibi, quote, Then went outside to watch P. parade, it lines up rather cohesively with where he is later sighted at the downstairs storage room, then in close proximity to the first-floor elevators brb...more to follow...

Then when we take the bombshell revelation of Ms. Judith McCully into consideration, where she stands firm now that she was indeed upstairs in her office, which just so happens to be right off the elevator when Mr. Sawyer and "This man" disembark on the 4th floor, Did Ms. McCully's observations run counter to the hastily contrived script rearing its head two flights below and in the rear of the building as oppose to "A man"'s actual position? Did the authorities help Ms. McCully to see the "light" a couple of months later when she changed her initial statement? to comply with she couldn't have seen "This man" because she was downstairs all along...

Back next weekend G-d willing to reengage. Off here for now ladies & gentlemen, be safe everyone & stay healthy amid the ongoing pandemic challenges. The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

Then went outside to watch P. parade -- Lee Harvey Oswald

If Oswald said that, then it must be true

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #129 on: July 27, 2020, 12:24:43 PM »
The simple addition of “in my opinion” would resolve a lot of these conflicts you keep having.
You've obviously not noted how carefully worded my recent posts have been thanks to your meticulous scrutiny. What you do is important in a forum like this but it can go over the top.
As long as I'm having my little 'conflicts' it means I'm still learning. When the conflicts stop I've either found the truth or gone into denial.
Don't you think this really looks like someone lighting a cigarette  8)


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #130 on: July 27, 2020, 03:51:52 PM »
Don't you think this really looks like someone lighting a cigarette  8)

Not particularly.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #131 on: July 27, 2020, 06:50:15 PM »
Not particularly.
Out of interest, what do you think it looks like?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #132 on: July 27, 2020, 07:08:59 PM »

Another interesting observation gentlemen (Messrs Clements & Ford) at possibility of a Coke bottle producing the light source.

Additionally, it just so happens that a Coke bottle was indeed captured on film trained upon the entrance landing (a William Allen photo if I'm not mistaken).

That particular Coke bottle was merely inches from Prayer Man's position.

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down.

This probably accounts for the coke bottle on the steps.