Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #119 on: July 26, 2020, 04:29:17 PM »
The time gap is approximately four seconds between the images which is a perfectly normal time to light a cigarette then hold the light away before extinguishing, particularly if it's a match and not a lighter. No-one is trying to break cigarette-lighting records here. It's a casual action, not necessarily immediate. Of course a cigarette can be lit in less than four seconds before extinguishing the light but this time gap is in no way abnormal. The point is this - if the gap were, say 10 seconds, then I would agree it would rule out a cigarette being lit but the fact is the time-gap factor (something I'd not actually thought about) is within perfectly normal parameters, which only strengthens the argument I'm putting forward.

    An alleged "4 second" time gap is disputable. We frequently hear about JFK Assassination eyewitnesses being in shock or just standing in place wondering what exactly has gone down with the JFK Limo speeding away, SA Hill mounting the trunk, etc. The Darnell image shows people Streaming into the TSBD. Time has obviously passed. Getting back to the actual figure, I think a woman wearing Short White Gloves ending at the Wrists is another possibility for the Illumination. She could be holding a Coke Bottle or a Cup of Joe, but short White Gloves could be the source for the Illumination/Glow.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #120 on: July 26, 2020, 05:23:50 PM »
It's very possible, Mr Clements. According to Mr James Hackerott, who has viewed the version of the Darnell film in the Sixth Floor Museum, this dark line is very obvious-----------------



He suggests it's something being worn around a (lady's) neck. I think it is more likely to be a Coca Cola bottle in a (man's!) hand.

If so, then its brightness in Wiegman would be due to its catching some direct sunlight.

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Another interesting observation gentlemen (Messrs Clements & Ford) at possibility of a Coke bottle producing the light source.

Additionally, it just so happens that a Coke bottle was indeed captured on film trained upon the entrance landing (a William Allen photo if I'm not mistaken).

That particular Coke bottle was merely inches from Prayer Man's position.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #121 on: July 26, 2020, 06:00:11 PM »
    An alleged "4 second" time gap is disputable. We frequently hear about JFK Assassination eyewitnesses being in shock or just standing in place wondering what exactly has gone down with the JFK Limo speeding away, SA Hill mounting the trunk, etc. The Darnell image shows people Streaming into the TSBD. Time has obviously passed. Getting back to the actual figure, I think a woman wearing Short White Gloves ending at the Wrists is another possibility for the Illumination. She could be holding a Coke Bottle or a Cup of Joe, but short White Gloves could be the source for the Illumination/Glow.
if I'm understanding you correctly it highlights how poor your contribution to this particular aspect of things has been. The point you raised about the time difference between the two images in the Gif I posted is totally valid. If the gap between the two images is too long my proposal of the images showing someone lighting a cigarette fails. It's a good test of the proposal.
Here's where things start to fall down. I'm talking about the time difference between these two images from Wiegman:



I used the Wiegman film to locate these two frames and roughly measure the difference between them which turned out to be approximately 4 seconds, a perfectly reasonable time to light a cigarette. But you disputed this 'alleged' timing arguing "Time has obviously passed" because of the "people Streaming into the TSBD". I looked at the images but couldn't understand what you meant. Then it dawned on me - you're talking about the time difference between the Wiegman and Darnell images!!!

WTF ???

And now you're just making the first thing that comes into your head about what the light source might be. White gloves? Really? Why is it glowing? Why aren't both hands glowing? Why has it stopped glowing in the Darnell clip?
Maybe it's Michael Jackson with a single sequined glove on?
Doesn't it look like someone lighting a cigarette and blowing out smoke?

 

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #122 on: July 26, 2020, 06:02:23 PM »
*Crediting Mr. Unger's Photograph Gallery, specifically the William Allen set here's that photo depicting the Coke bottle in Prayer Man's location ---->

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?album=37&pos=60

...just beyond the pointing fore-finger of DPD Chief of Police Jesse Curry, nestled way back up there in Prayer's Man viewing position.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #123 on: July 26, 2020, 06:28:13 PM »
if I'm understanding you correctly it highlights how poor your contribution to this particular aspect of things has been. The point you raised about the time difference between the two images in the Gif I posted is totally valid. If the gap between the two images is too long my proposal of the images showing someone lighting a cigarette fails. It's a good test of the proposal.
Here's where things start to fall down. I'm talking about the time difference between these two images from Wiegman:



I used the Wiegman film to locate these two frames and roughly measure the difference between them which turned out to be approximately 4 seconds, a perfectly reasonable time to light a cigarette. But you disputed this 'alleged' timing arguing "Time has obviously passed" because of the "people Streaming into the TSBD". I looked at the images but couldn't understand what you meant. Then it dawned on me - you're talking about the time difference between the Wiegman and Darnell images!!!

WTF ???

And now you're just making the first thing that comes into your head about what the light source might be. White gloves? Really? Why is it glowing? Why aren't both hands glowing? Why has it stopped glowing in the Darnell clip?
Maybe it's Michael Jackson with a single sequined glove on?
Doesn't it look like someone lighting a cigarette and blowing out smoke?


   Without getting Nasty, I think we are getting back into whatever "augmentation" has been inflicted on these still frames. The Brightness/Glow we are seeing radically contrasts with Everything else in the image. Also, if you believe that person is Standing atop the Landing and is close to the Wall on the immediate (R), that area is Totally immersed in shadow as has been Photo Proven. This makes that extreme Brightness for an extended period of time further questionable. As to the time stamping of Images captured by Different sources, this also touches on the currently accepted Time Stamping of Lovelady and Shelly in contrast to their own Warren Commission Testimony. In general, I personally believe the Time Stamping of many JFK Assassination Images has intentionally been Manipulated/Coordinated to facilitate the manufactured WC story line. 
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #124 on: July 26, 2020, 06:44:22 PM »
   Without getting Nasty, I think we are getting back into whatever "augmentation" has been inflicted on these still frames. The Brightness/Glow we are seeing radically contrasts with Everything else in the image. Also, if you believe that person is Standing atop the Landing and is close to the Wall on the immediate (R), that area is Totally immersed in shadow as has been Photo Proven. This makes that extreme Brightness for an extended period of time further questionable. As to the time stamping of Images captured by Different sources, this also touches on the currently accepted Time Stamping of Lovelady and Shelly in contrast to their own Warren Commission Testimony. In general, I personally believe the Time Stamping of many JFK Assassination Images has intentionally been Manipulated/Coordinated to facilitate the manufactured WC story line.
No-one's being nasty Royell. I was being incredulous. IMHO you're contribution to this aspect of things has been poor. I'm sorry but I think that's a fair enough statement. If you really were talking about the time difference between the Wiegmen and the Darnell clips I think this demonstrates how poor it's been. And you do seem to be randomly throwing in suggestions as to what the light source might be without thinking it through, leaving me to do your thinking through for you. I think that's a fair enough statement as well. I don't find your contributions on this particular aspect of things to be considered,
The Time Stamping issue is your own personal belief.
Apologies if my message came across as nasty. It was more frustration than anything else.
That said, do you understand why I'm suggesting this is a person lighting a cigarette:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #125 on: July 26, 2020, 07:49:25 PM »


      Other images showing this same area shows us a Glow/Brightness level nowhere close to this. Does anyone know what has been done to these frames?