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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #147 on: May 18, 2020, 03:39:03 AM »
Jack Trojan asked incredulously and rhetorically:

"You mean CE-399 [is plausible evidence?], [although it] didn't have a straight line path from the SN into JFK's back at the T1 vertebrae and out his throat at C7, then thru Connally causing 7 wounds and smashing thru bones and dropping out of Connally onto the wrong stretcher in "pristine" condition, while the other FMJ bullet disintegrated as it exploded in JFK's head?"
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Larry Sturtevant and his colleagues answer all of your above questions in the full PBS Nova special "Cold Case: JFK," and the National Geographic special "The Lost Bullet".

Here he talks about the fatal headshot, and why that bullet fragmented, and indirectly caused JFKs upper torso and head to go back and to the left, etc. etc.


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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #148 on: May 18, 2020, 06:08:03 AM »
Jack Trojan asked incredulously and rhetorically:

"You mean CE-399 [is plausible evidence?], [although it] didn't have a straight line path from the SN into JFK's back at the T1 vertebrae and out his throat at C7, then thru Connally causing 7 wounds and smashing thru bones and dropping out of Connally onto the wrong stretcher in "pristine" condition, while the other FMJ bullet disintegrated as it exploded in JFK's head?"
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Larry Sturtevant and his colleagues answer all of your above questions in the full PBS Nova special "Cold Case: JFK," and the National Geographic special "The Lost Bullet".

Here he talks about the fatal headshot, and why that bullet fragmented, and indirectly caused JFKs upper torso and head to go back and to the left, etc. etc.


--  MWT  ;)

"Cold case: JFK" is horseshit. If the MB trajectory was angled downward @ 17 degrees and entered JFK's back at T1, it does not come out of a small wound in the throat at C7 unless it struck JFK's spine and deflected its trajectory upward approx. 20 degrees. And if it did, it would not enter Connally at the 5th rib. It would also not exit a small hole and it would sustain damage like it should have when it broke Connally's rib and wrist bones. There is no goddamned way CE-399 would look pristine unless it was shot into a swimming pool, which would explain why it had no DNA on it from either JFK or Connally. Nova and NG didn't explore any of these aspects, they were clutching at straws trying to make the MB work. Their head shot simulation also didn't explain why the FMJ bullet exploded in JFK's head and caused the catastrophic damage as shown in frame 323 below:



"Back and to the left" from the "jet effect" or "firing neurons" my Bahookie. What a load.


Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #149 on: May 18, 2020, 06:21:48 AM »
"Cold case: JFK" is horseshit. If the MB trajectory was angled downward @ 17 degrees and entered JFK's back at T1, it does not come out of a small wound in the throat at C7 unless it struck JFK's spine and deflected its trajectory upward approx. 20 degrees. And if it did, it would not enter Connally at the 5th rib. It would also not exit a small hole and it would sustain damage like it should have when it broke Connally's rib and wrist bones. There is no goddamned way CE-399 would look pristine unless it was shot into a swimming pool, which would explain why it had no DNA on it from either JFK or Connally. Nova and NG didn't explore any of these aspects, they were clutching at straws trying to make the MB work. Their head shot simulation also didn't explain why the FMJ bullet exploded in JFK's head and caused the catastrophic damage as shown in frame 323 below:



"Back and to the left" from the "jet effect" or "firing neurons" my Bahookie. What a load.

I guess you missed the part about that kind of bullet's beginning to yaw before it exits something relatively soft, like JFK's neck or a block of ballistics gel (which explains why it created a diagonal hole in Connally's shirt and back and did so much damage to his rib), and a separate report indicating that, according to an x-ray taken at Bethesda, it did apparently nick the tip of one of JFK's vertebrae, causing him to raise his arms involuntarily the way he did, and perhaps deflecting the bullet even more.

Larry Sturtevant explained very clearly that the Z-313 bullet fragmented into large pieces when it struck JFK's SKULL.

Funny how you can be so spot-on on Trump-related stuff, and so "out in left field" on JFK assassination-related stuff.

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #150 on: May 18, 2020, 06:46:15 AM »
Another ca-ca post by Jack T.

I guess you missed the part about that kind of bullet's beginning to yaw before it exits something relatively soft, like JFK's neck or a block of ballistics gel, and a separate report that according to  x-ray, it did apparently nick the tip of one of his vertebrae.

Nice try again. If the bullet began to yaw as it passed thru JFK's neck then why did it leave an "entrance-like" exit wound, sucka? No YAW before exiting JFK's neck. Slight yaw AFTER exiting JFK's neck from the density change in mediums (flesh->air) causing uneven drag and yaw on its way into Connally.  Except if it entered JFK's back at T1 and deflected upward and out with no yaw at C7, then it would not have even struck Connally. You need to cite a photogrammetric trajectory analysis that supports your claims that the MB could do what it did. Your 2 documentaries must have forgot to include that part.

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Larry Sturtevant explained very clearly that the Z-313 bullet fragmented into large pieces when it struck JFK's skull.

How the hell does he know that and why didn't CE-399 fragment after striking 3 bones? Sorry, but Larry is full of horseshit. D'oh!

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #151 on: May 18, 2020, 06:57:32 AM »
Nice try again. If the bullet began to yaw as it passed thru JFK's neck then why did it leave an "entrance-like" exit wound, sucka? No YAW before exiting JFK's neck. Slight yaw AFTER exiting JFK's neck from the density change in mediums (flesh->air) causing uneven drag and yaw on its way into Connally.  Except if it entered JFK's back at T1 and deflected upward and out with no yaw at C7, then it would not have even struck Connally. You need to cite a photogrammetric trajectory analysis that supports your claims that the MB could do what it did. Your 2 documentaries must have forgot to include that part.

How the hell does he know that and why didn't CE-399 fragment after striking 3 bones? Sorry, but Larry is full of horseshit. D'oh!

What's with the "sucka" bit, punk? (At least you didn't put it in all caps this time.)

Uhh, well, regarding the one that fragmented and the one that didn't, I guess the Z-313 bullet was travelling about 1900 feet-per-second when its rounded point struck JFK's skull, causing both to break apart, whereas the CE-399 bullet was traveling about 1700 feet-per-second when it's rear third or-so sideswiped Connally's fifth rib, i.e., travelling fast enough to do that amount of damage by its tumbling motion, and fast enough for some of the lead core to be extruded out the back (with 2.1 grains of it lost), but not quite fast enough to cause it to fragment?

Beats the heck out of me.

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #152 on: May 18, 2020, 08:15:21 AM »
I guess you missed the part about that kind of bullet's beginning to yaw before it exits something relatively soft, like JFK's neck or a block of ballistics gel (which explains why it created a diagonal hole in Connally's shirt and back and did so much damage to his rib), and a separate report indicating that, according to an x-ray taken at Bethesda, it did apparently nick the tip of one of JFK's vertebrae, causing him to raise his arms involuntarily the way he did, and perhaps deflecting the bullet even more.

Larry Sturtevant explained very clearly that the Z-313 bullet fragmented into large pieces when it struck JFK's SKULL.

Funny how you can be so spot-on on Trump-related stuff, and so "out in left field" on JFK assassination-related stuff.

--  MWT  ;)

Let's see Trojan have his own head squished to the degree that the butt end of Ce399 was squished and call that 'pristine'
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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #153 on: May 18, 2020, 08:18:56 AM »
Let's see Trojan have his own head squished to the degree that the butt end of Ce399 was squished and call that 'pristine'

In all fairness, didn't he say "pristine" in like ... quotation marks?

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