This is how the rifle was gotten into the building

[John Iacoletti]

*Buell said he only saw about a 9" sliver of the bag as Oswald walked ahead

When did he say that?

[Bill Chapman]

When did he say that?

A long, long time ago

[Alan Ford]

"went outside to watch the P. parade"

How did this info come into the public domain? Shouldn't Hosty have published this in his book back in 1995?

Yes, he certainly should have! Like the other parties to Mr Oswald's interrogation, he flat out lied to the public----------his unpublished handwritten interrogation notes prove it!

They came into the public domain thanks to the diligence of Mr Bart Kamp, who found them in Mr Malcolm Blunt's files:



The revelation came as a stunning point-for-point vindication of Mr Sean Murphy's 2013 conclusions as to what Mr Oswald had really told Captain Fritz. 

[Alan Ford]

Friends, you are cordially invited to look very closely at these two versions of the crime lab document on the two curtain rods tested by Lt. Day-------------



-------------and ask yourself the question:

What do they tell us about the role played by the numbers 275 and 276 in this affair?

 

[Jerry Freeman]

Again, Oswald himself denied carrying any long package.  So unless you begin with the premise that Oswald lied it doesn't really matter what Frazier said.  To cling to Frazier's estimate as being absolutely precise entails needing to explain why Oswald denied carrying any such package. 

What a silly/senseless statement. It demonstrates a total lack of logical evaluation... An intense belief in something that actually didn't really happen.
It is thought that Fritz was faithfully jotting down notes right there immediately at the time of Oswald's interrogation. That is not what he testified to...or is it believable anyway---

Mr. BALL. So Bookhout and Hosty came into your office?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was anyone else present?
Mr. FRITZ. I don't remember whether there was anyone else right at that time or not.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what you said to Oswald and what he said to you?
Mr. FRITZ. I can remember the thing that I said to him and what he said to me, but I will have trouble telling you which period of questioning those questions were in because I kept no notes at the time, and these notes and things that I have made I would have to make several days later, and the questions may be in the wrong place.

Fritz couldn't recall the presence of any more than two guys? Laughable 

[Ross Lidell]

Coming from a guy who always works towards a pre-determined outcome, that's hilarious.

The only difference between you and Frazier is that Frazier was actually there and you were not. A description like "in his cupped hand and under his armpit" isn't an estimate. It's a sound observation which limits the size the bag could have been. So, yes, Frazier can be damned sure what the exact length was of the bag Oswald carried.

Stop playing silly games. Frazier saw the bag, you didn't. If he says the bag wasn't big enough to conceal a broken down rifle, then it wasn't. And your wishful thinking isn't going to change that.

No. Frazier showed Tom Meros exactly how Oswald carred the bag. Not how he "could have" done it. That's just you again, not wanting to accept the reality that you are seeing with your own eyes. It's pretty pathetic that you now claim that Frazier is not being truthfull because of some bias against the Warren Commission, since he is saying the same thing now as he did on day one, before the Warren Commission even existed. You are just making up stuff to justify not having to believe Frazier. The dishonest one is you!

Childish come back

No. Frazier never said that "he thought" Oswald carried the packet in a certain way. He said he saw how Oswald carried the package and the description hasn't changed from day one until today. Although Frazier did indeed not see the front of Oswald's body as the latter walked away, he did not see the package sticking out over Oswald's shoulder. In the video of Tom Meros it is shown conclusively how high the package would have reached, if there had been a rifle in there, and there is no way that Frazier could have missed seeing a package sticking out of Oswald's shoulder and nearly reaching the top of his head.

BS.. Unlike you, Frazier never had the intention of fooling anybody. There is no "Frazier's theory".... there is only what Frazier saw. You don't like that, but you can not prove him wrong, so you make up a bunch of crap about how Frazier should have behaved. The Tom Meros video is pretty clear and exposes your theory as being completely bogus.

Your flawed assumptions are getting tiresome.

Coming from a guy who always works towards a pre-determined outcome, that's hilarious.

You're trying to be clever so you "declare" I'm doing something that I'm not. What I've done is to consider the various ways that Lee Oswald could have carried his long package: The ways that are consistent with Buell Frazier's description of how he saw Oswald carry the long package. It's not a predetermined outcome. My analysis of Buell Frazier's description of how Oswald carried the long package is that his observation is not complete enough to reach a certain conclusion. The witness's testimony is inconclusive. However, the paper sack in the TSBD with Oswald's right palm-print and left index fingerprint on it is probative: particularly when the position of the prints corresponds to how Frazier said Oswald carried the long paper bag.

No. Frazier never said that "he thought" Oswald carried the packet in a certain way. He said he saw how Oswald carried the package and the description hasn't changed from day one until today. Although Frazier did indeed not see the front of Oswald's body as the latter walked away, he did not see the package sticking out over Oswald's shoulder. In the video of Tom Meros it is shown conclusively how high the package would have reached, if there had been a rifle in there, and there is no way that Frazier could have missed seeing a package sticking out of Oswald's shoulder and nearly reaching the top of his head.

Did you spot the fault in this Meros guy's "it-could-only-be-one-way" theory. He got something fundamental--wrong. Not surprising for someone who refuses to look at "all" the possibilities as to how Oswald carried the long paper-sack.

Frazier may not have said "he thought" but an estimate of length is "a thought" and an incomplete observation of Oswald's body from "all sides" as he carried the package is "a thought" not a proof.


Your flawed assumptions are getting tiresome.

Then don't bother to reply to my posts.

You're frustrated because you've come up against someone who wont capitulate to your contrarianism.

The only difference between you and Frazier is that Frazier was actually there and you were not. A description like "in his cupped hand and under his armpit" isn't an estimate. It's a sound observation which limits the size the bag could have been. So, yes, Frazier can be damned sure what the exact length was of the bag Oswald carried.

There are many differences between Buell Frazier and me. You must be more precise in your writing before you POST.

You're unable or unwilling to consider the multiple ways the package could have been carried "consistent" with Buell Frazier's observation.

You ignore the F A C T that Buell Frazier did not measure the length of Oswald's long paper bag with a ruler or tape-measure. This is not in dispute by any rational person.

Did Buell Frazier ever measure the length between Lee Oswald's "cupped hand" and "inside his armpit"? No he did not: So Frazier cannot be sure of the "exact" length of Oswald's long paper bag.

You must be more precise in thoughts and conclusions. It will save both of us wasted time.

[Alan Ford]

So Oswald cannot be sure of the "exact" length of Oswald's long paper bag.

You must be more precise in thoughts and conclusions. It will save both of us wasted time.

Outstanding!