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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #91 on: May 14, 2020, 08:09:27 PM »
Like "Richard" actually knows what Oswald did or did not "need".

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #92 on: May 14, 2020, 09:22:08 PM »
The FBI is checking on whether Oswald's room already had curtain rods to determine if there could be a reason to take such rods to that location.

Nope! The WC are suddenly interested in curtain rods and, just one day after two curtain rods are given to the DPD for testing for Mr Oswald's fingerprints, are asking the FBI to help them with something.

Mr Rankin, in asking the FBI to "check out this story fully", bizarrely fails to mention the two curtain rods being fingerprinted; bizarrely fails to ask the FBI to determine whether any curtain rods were missing from the Paine home... Why not? Because all he wants from the FBI is help in closing the story down.

If you weren't incapable of independent critical thinking, Mr Smith, you would have seen this yourself without needing it explained to you!

How is your '275' and '276' explanation coming along by the way? Do let me know if you need assistance!  Thumb1:

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #93 on: May 14, 2020, 10:11:05 PM »
It's unfortunate for these nuts that even "Mr. Oswald" denied carrying any curtain rods or long package.  So Oswald himself takes issue with Frazier's claim.
>>>"It's unfortunate for these nuts"<<<
Several rice patty hats could be woven with this abundance of straw. Can Mr Smith eat that many?
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According to Oswald he had no curtain rods or long package.  Just his lunch.  So Frazier's estimate of the size of a long bag is pointless unless you believe Oswald is lying for some unspecified reason about the curtain rods/long bag that Frazier indicates that he was carrying.  And it obviously makes no sense at all for Oswald to lie about carrying some curtain rods that morning.  In fact, it would have helped his situation to direct the police to that bag. 
 And a long bag is found at the crime scene with Oswald's prints on them.  That bag is measured which confirms that it actually is a bit longer than Frazier's estimate.   
What sack full of crap :D
Does anyone see some prints on this paper bag? Not enough room in it for the crap in the post I just quoted.

Well Lt Day didn't either----
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Mr. DAY. This is the sack found on the sixth floor in the southeast corner of the building on November 22, 1963.
Mr. BELIN. Do you have any identification on that to so indicate?
Mr. DAY. It has my name on it, and it also has other writing that I put on there for the information of the FBI.
Mr. BELIN. Could you read what you wrote on there?
Mr. DAY. "Found next to the sixth floor window gun fired from. May have been used to carry gun. Lieutenant J. C. Day."
Mr. BELIN. When did you write that?
Mr. DAY. I wrote that at the time the sack was found before it left our possession.
Mr. BELIN. All right, anything else that you wrote on there?
Mr. DAY. When the sack was released on November 22 to the FBI about 11:45 p.m., I put further information to the FBI reading as follows: "FBI: Has been dusted with metallic magnetic powder on outside only. Inside has not been processed. Lieut J. C. Day."
Mr. BELIN. Did you find anything, any print of any kind, in connection with the processing of this?
Mr. DAY. No legible prints were found with the powder, no.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know whether any legible prints were found by any other means or any other place?
Mr. DAY. There is a legible print on it now. They were on there when it was returned to me from the FBI on November 24.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know by what means they found these?
Mr. DAY. It is apparently silver nitrate. It could be another compound they have used. The sack had an orange color indicating it was silver nitrate.
Mr. BELIN. You mean the sack when it came back from the FBI had a----
Mr. DAY. Orange color. It is another method of processing paper for fingerprints.
Mr. BELIN. Was there anything inside the bag, if you know, when you found it?
Mr. DAY. I did not open the bag. I did not look inside of the bag at all.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do with the bag after you found it and you put this writing on after you dusted it?
Mr. DAY. I released it to the FBI agent.
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  On the afternoon of November 24, hours after Oswald was killed in the basement of the Dallas Police Department, the rifle was returned to Dallas. Two days later, the rifle was again returned to Washington. No plausible reason was given why the weapon should be taken back to Dallas. Is there a reason? The  corpse  of  Lee  Oswald  was  taken  to  Miller  Funeral  Home  after  he  was  declared  dead  on November  24  and  before  he  was  buried  on November  25.  The  Director of the  Funeral Home, Paul Groody, stated that the FBI came to fingerprint Oswald’s corpse while it was in his Funeral Home. He even had to remove the ‘dirt’ from Oswald’s fingers afterwards. FBI  agent Richard Harrison  said  he  had  personally  driven  an  FBI  agent  AND  the  rifle  to  the  Funeral  Home.Harrison said  he  ‘understood that the agent  intended to  place  Oswald’s  palm print  on the rifle FOR  COMPARISON  PURPOSES.  Why  this  was  done  is *unclear: Oswald  was  fingerprinted while in police-custody and these prints were in perfect order, thus eliminating the need to take new fingerprints. After these  new prints were taken,  the rifle was  returned to  Washington and Lt. Day suddenly released his data of having found a palm print on the rifle as early as November 22. Three days later, the palm print arrived at the FBI in Washington and Latona identified this palm print as the right palm print of Lee Harvey Oswald. However, he was unable to determine the time elapsed since the placing of the print and the date of the lift. Perhaps this was just as well since there is a reasonable chance the print  was placed  only when the  FBI  fingerprinted Oswald’s corpse,  not when the rifle was allegedly fired in Dealey Plaza.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.452.2775&rep=rep1&type=pdf
                                                 *I think it seems quite clear.
Still after all the sneaky tactics to assure there were prints to be found....there were yet none reported where the paper bag was supposedly gripped.
The FBI wound up screwing the pooch after all  :D

Offline Ross Lidell

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2020, 01:31:47 AM »
Outstanding! :D

So Oswald cannot be sure of the "exact" length of Oswald's long paper bag.

I must stop multitasking: It's distracting.

The statement is still true... in a way.

On the old forum, I had a Subject about Oswald's reason for making the long-ish paper bag too short to conceal the Carcano rifle "ready to shoot". It suggested (speculated?) that Oswald mistakenly thought he had a 36" rifle as per the Kleins Sporting Goods advertisement in the February 1962 issue of "The American Rifleman". He was shipped a similar, rifle that was 40.2" long. This is a possible explanation for Oswald making a bag that required the Carcano to be disassembled to fully conceal it in the bag. Oswald did not measure his Carcano rifle as far as we know. Oswald probably "estimated" the length of the piece of paper used to make the bag. In folding the paper to make a secure "bottom" of the bag he most likely did not make precise measurements. It's doubtful that Oswald knew the "exact" length of his long-ish paper bag. So my statement--although unintended--is possibly true.

Incidentally, Frazier cannot be sure of the exact length of Oswald's long paper bag.

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Offline Ross Lidell

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2020, 01:38:23 AM »
Outstanding! :D

YES, I must!!!!!!!!!!

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2020, 02:37:47 AM »
Oswald actually smuggling in the disassembled murder weapon in a bag aside, why would he include the wonky scope and how did he keep his prints off the rifle after reassembling it, taking 3 shots then ditching it before fleeing the scene? It takes precious time to wipe off all your prints and by rights there should have been a crapload of them all over the rifle. You must manhandle a rifle to reassemble it from parts. Also, Oswald could have saved some room/weight in the bag if he had removed the useless scope.

You need to ans those questions before debating what was in the bag. The conspirators didn't think this one thru. Oswald was obviously instructed to bring something in a long paper bag (long enough for a disassembled rifle) and be witnessed doing it. That's called sheep-dipping the patsy. Meanwhile, the MC was probably already on the 6th floor or in the possession of Roy Truly, who was probably up to his eyeballs in all this as much as Paine and De Mohrenschildt were as his handlers. Truly must have provided private access to the 6th floor for the conspirators to set up shop and kept the employees out of the picture. Someone should dig into Roy Truly's background.
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: This is how the rifle was gotten into the building
« Reply #97 on: May 15, 2020, 09:39:45 AM »
So Oswald cannot be sure of the "exact" length of Oswald's long paper bag.

I must stop multitasking: It's distracting.

Indeed so-------chiding another for their lack of precision can be very distracting alright!  Thumb1:

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The statement is still true... in a way.

On the old forum, I had a Subject about Oswald's reason for making the long-ish paper bag too short to conceal the Carcano rifle "ready to shoot".

His reason was that he only needed a bag long enough to hold two white enamel curtain rods!

And the reason why a long (5-6ft) box was used to deliver the rifle to the Depository building from a Pawn Shop truck the morning of the assassination was to avoid using a box that looked just right for carrying a rifle.

Not complicated!  Thumb1: