Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[Jack Trojan]

I think you're just playing dumb.....And trying to antagonize me.....  Because most ten year old kids could deduce from the affidavits and testimony that after they ( Boone and Weitzman)  discovered the carcano beneath the pallet of boxes they stayed right there and waited for Fritz and Day to come to the site.  And Tom Alyea filmed Lt Day at that site.    This is sooooo elementary that I'm embarrassed for you.

Would you like me to help you extract your head?

[Gary Craig]

"Deputy Boone called out that he had found the rifle shoved down between 2 rows of pasteboard boxes of books. Capt. Fritz took over the search at this time and one of the other Deputies who had been in the building came and told us that Sheriff Decker had given orders to let the City take over the investigation and for the Deputies to return to the sheriffs office, which we did."

Deputy Boone called out that that he had found the rifle......  Actually it was Weitzman who first spotted the carcano on the floor beneath the pallet of books but Weitzman was down on his belly shining his flashlight beneath the pallet and Boone was standing up on the West side of the rifle beneath the pallet. So Boone yelled out that they had found the rifle) Fritz came over to where Boone and Weitzman were and took charge ......    Fritz took over at this time ....

Isn't it clear to you that Tom Alyea filmed Detective Day as he lifted the MANNLICHER CARCANO from the floor.....

Deputies Boone and Weitzman find a rifle between some boxes on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Fritz takes charge of the area.

Sheriff Decker relays orders to turn over the investigation to the City and for his men to return to the Sheriff's offices.

Boone and Weitzman return the sheriff offices where they hand write reports of their account of finding a 7.65 Mauser.

Their reports are typed up as Sworn Affidavits. They are signed by both officers and Notarized.

Mean time Alyea films Lt. Day picking up MANNLICHER CARCANO from the floor of the 6th Floor of the TSBD.

How does Alyea's film prove Boone and Weitzman found the Carcano?

[Walt Cakebread]

Deputies Boone and Weitzman find a rifle between some boxes on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Fritz takes charge of the area.

Sheriff Decker relays orders to turn over the investigation to the City and for his men to return to the Sheriff's offices.

Boone and Weitzman return the sheriff offices where they hand write reports of their account of finding a 7.65 Mauser.

Their reports are typed up as Sworn Affidavits. They are signed by both officers and Notarized.



Mean time Alyea films Lt. Day picking up MANNLICHER CARCANO from the floor of the 6th Floor of the TSBD.

How does Alyea's film prove Boone and Weitzman found the Carcano?

The Alyea film does not prove that Weitzman and Boone found the carcano, and I never have made that claim.....I've told you repeatedly that virtually everybody who was there on the sixth floor said that Weitzman and Boone  discovered the carcano......   ( even though they didn't know what kind of rifle they had found and Weitzman speculated and made a WAG that it was a 7.65 Mauser)  So you'll need to refute every man that was there if you doubt that Weitzman and Boone found the carcano.

Weitzman and Boone didn't leave the sixth floor the instant Fritz arrived at the site....( They can be seen in photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano.)

And simply because they said the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser does NOT make it a fact.   Weitzman clearly said that he had guessed about the rifle being a Mauser, and "Much to his sorrow" he was wrong.   The rifle was NOT a Mauser.....

Do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, Gary ?

[John Iacoletti]

Weitzman and Boone didn't leave the sixth floor the instant Fritz arrived at the site....( They can be seen in photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano.)

I'd still like to see these photos.

And simply because they said the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser does NOT make it a fact.   Weitzman clearly said that he had guessed about the rifle being a Mauser, and "Much to his sorrow" he was wrong.

So what?  Brennan clearly said that he really could ID Oswald but lied to the police instead.  All that means is that they were pressured to retract their statements.

[Walt Cakebread]

I'd still like to see these photos.

So what?  Brennan clearly said that he really could ID Oswald but lied to the police instead.  All that means is that they were pressured to retract their statements.

I'd still like to see these photos.

If you haven't seen the photos you haven't been looking.

Brennan clearly said that he really could ID Oswald but lied to the police instead.

 Yes , that's true...Brennan did say that when he appeared before LBJ's Cover up committee.... He'd have been crazy to refuse to say that....He understood very well that his family could be in danger if he didn't cooperate.  ( The Cops told him that on 11/22/63 )    And Brennan was convinced that he'd better cooperate when he saw Lee Oswald lynched while surrounded by the same cops who had tried to coerce him into identifying Lee Oswald as the 175 pound man who was dressed a light khaki colored clothing ........

[John Iacoletti]

So I guess you get to decide when people who said they were wrong are telling the truth or not. Who lived longer, Craig or Weitzman?

Please post the photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano that show Weitzman and Boone in them and point out Weitzman and Boone.

[Tom Scully]

So I guess you get to decide when people who said they were wrong are telling the truth or not. Who lived longer, Craig or Weitzman?

Please post the photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano that show Weitzman and Boone in them and point out Weitzman and Boone.

John, what is your end game, or is your participation in this never ending Mauser vs MC debate, not goal oriented?

Here is an excerpt of the "leading lights" Lane and Weisberg attempting 40+ years ago, to make the argument you are.
Help me to understand why you think this is worth your time. What I read on this Lane / Weisberg page so far persuades me this pursuit is futile.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9926&relPageId=34&search=lane_and%20weisberg%20and%20mauser

Politics are described as, "the art of the possible". Contrast that description with this thread.

You, yourself hit on my argument.:

So I guess you get to decide when people who said they were wrong are telling the truth or not. Who lived longer, Craig or Weitzman?

Example, there are things that can conceivably be accomplished, vs whether or not a Mauser was actually discovered on the Sixth Floor.
I wanted to find out if Postal Safety Manager, John Martin, Jr., age 58, maker of a relevant, brief 8 mm film, had indeed returned to his birthplace to live, Minnesota.
The 1963 Dallas City directory listed his wife as Emma M Martin. I wondered if the couple was related to John T Martin of Minnesota, who filmed Edwin Walker's home and Oswald in NOLA on the same 8 mm film reel.

Recently I found a yearbook photo that is definitely of John T Martin, but so far I cannot trace him further than Weisbeg's and Schoen's face-to-face, 1968 encounter.


The Postal Safety Manager was located in a Texas grave, John Wylie Martin. Jr., 1905 - 1993.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/29225958/john-wylie-martin

John, I strongly suspect those who find the Mauser debate worth repeated discussion, are indifferent to any resolution of any incompletely understood component of JFK Assassination research. I cannot change that approach of others, but I can offer alternative pursuits and methods.