Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[Jack Trojan]

The Alyea film does not prove that Weitzman and Boone found the carcano, and I never have made that claim.....I've told you repeatedly that virtually everybody who was there on the sixth floor said that Weitzman and Boone  discovered the carcano......   ( even though they didn't know what kind of rifle they had found and Weitzman speculated and made a WAG that it was a 7.65 Mauser)  So you'll need to refute every man that was there if you doubt that Weitzman and Boone found the carcano.

Weitzman and Boone didn't leave the sixth floor the instant Fritz arrived at the site....( They can be seen in photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano.)

And simply because they said the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser does NOT make it a fact.   Weitzman clearly said that he had guessed about the rifle being a Mauser, and "Much to his sorrow" he was wrong.   The rifle was NOT a Mauser.....

Do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, Gary ?

Why do you act like an arrogant child when someone disagrees with you? Especially when you're FOS. No way in hell Weitzman gave such precise details on a sworn affidavit describing a Mauser, without positively identifying it. Maybe that is something you can relate to, but no one else would do that.  Instead you keep sidestepping the issue and refer to your gospel Alyea film and....testimony from EVERYONE on the 6th floor that day. I'd like to see that list, and make sure to put a check mark beside each person that wasn't a DPD conspirator.

Seems to me that Fritz told the only 2 non-conspirators, Craig and Weitzman, they could go home after Weitzman handed Fritz back the Mauser. Where was the Alyea footage of that scene? Where is the Alyea footage of the 3 hulls in a tight group near the window no more than an inch apart? Why do you think that Fritz gave Alyea free rein to film any goddamned thing he wanted? Are you that naive to assume that the Alyea film wasn't directed by Fritz? He directed all the other photography at the scene and he and Day were hamming it up in front of the cameras. Do you think they weren't in control of the narrative that all the film footage showed of them? Fritz obviously kept Alyea at bay until he wanted something filmed. You just fell for it so hard that you started calling people retarded for doubting that the film didn't show a natural sequence of events and doubting the testimony of all the conspirators and wanting to piss on the grave of the whistle blower. But then you are a Trumptard, after all.

Do you think the Medical Staff at Bethesda were mentally ill because they saw a big hole in the back of JFK's head, when the autopsy photos clearly showed a small bullet hole near the top of the head? Your problem is you believe your lying eyes. Fool.

[Mitch Todd]

Mitch Todd: It's also one rifle, a guy who doesn't know guns as well as he might like to believe, a guy who takes his cue from the guy who doesn't quite know guns that well, and a semi-pro liar who's spent years spinning a self-contradictory story.

Yes, I know that’s the excuse.

If it were just an excuse, you'd be able to marshal some cogent argument against it. But you got nothing, so you have nothing to say.

Mitch Todd: Where's the unambiguous evidence of two rifles in the depository? Who claimed that they saw two rifles in the depository? That's the kind of thing you need right now.

There isn’t unambiguous evidence of anything in this case.

The universe is full of ambiguity, what with all that quantum mechanics and Goedel and his incompleteness theorem and whatnot. But if you want to claim that Weitzman/Boone saw a different rifle than what's shown in the Alyea film, you need something independent from a statement made by a guy who admitted that he was wrong, the fool who followed him, and some dude who years later comes up with a couple of mutually-contradictory stories about the rifle. You need something like witnesses who saw both rifles. Where are they?

[Mitch Todd]

So I guess you get to decide when people who said they were wrong are telling the truth or not. Who lived longer, Craig or Weitzman?

Please post the photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano that show Weitzman and Boone in them and point out Weitzman and Boone.

Point out where Weitzman and/or Boone said that the rifle in the Alyea film is not the rifle that they saw.

[Tom Scully]

Aren't results the best measure of the utility of our filters enhancing or restricting the process of inquiry? Example, if you dismiss everything documented by the FBI or the DPD, you will have an easier time, but conversely, who will you convince, anticipating who your potential readership will likely be, if you take the records, statements, or evidence presented by either law enforcement agency as gospel?

The internet has been a useful resource for 20+ years, but how much of the basis of current debate is influenced primarily by pre-internet authors and film makers?
How much of our POVs is influenced excessively by research that was based on incomplete information, gaps filled in by suspicion of worst case scenario?

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/R%20Disk/Roberts%20Craig/Item%2002.pdf


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[Gary Craig]

The Alyea film does not prove that Weitzman and Boone found the carcano, and I never have made that claim.....I've told you repeatedly that virtually everybody who was there on the sixth floor said that Weitzman and Boone  discovered the carcano......   ( even though they didn't know what kind of rifle they had found and Weitzman speculated and made a WAG that it was a 7.65 Mauser)  So you'll need to refute every man that was there if you doubt that Weitzman and Boone found the carcano.

Weitzman and Boone didn't leave the sixth floor the instant Fritz arrived at the site....( They can be seen in photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano.)

And simply because they said the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser does NOT make it a fact.   Weitzman clearly said that he had guessed about the rifle being a Mauser, and "Much to his sorrow" he was wrong.   The rifle was NOT a Mauser.....

Do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, Gary?

"Weitzman and Boone didn't leave the sixth floor the instant Fritz arrived at the site...."

Fritz was on the 6th floor before Boone and Weitzman found a rifle stuffed between book boxes.

"( They can be seen in photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano.)"

I would like to see these photos.

"And simply because they said the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser does NOT make it a fact."

The signed, sworn and notarized affidavits stating they did find a 7.65 Mauser are admissible as evidence.

So it's a bit more than them simply stating they found the rifle.

"Do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, Gary?"

I don't. Most times I engage you on this forum I do feel like a fool for doing so though.

[Walt Cakebread]

"Weitzman and Boone didn't leave the sixth floor the instant Fritz arrived at the site...."

Fritz was on the 6th floor before Boone and Weitzman found a rifle stuffed between book boxes.

"( They can be seen in photos taken of Fritz and Day examining the Carcano.)"

I would like to see these photos.

"And simply because they said the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser does NOT make it a fact."

The signed, sworn and notarized affidavits stating they did find a 7.65 Mauser are admissible as evidence.

So it's a bit more than them simply stating they found the rifle.

"Do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, Gary?"

I don't. Most times I engage you on this forum I do feel like a fool for doing so though.

You expose yourself as an ignoramus in nearly every post    ( an ignoramous who knows very little about the fundamental facts of the case)

For example... Only a ignorant fool would present the affidavits of Boone and Weitman as proof that the rifle they discovered was a 7.65 Mauser when there are dozens of photos that clearly show that the rifle is a carcano and they were wrong in their first WAG about the rifle.   And Only an ignoramus would totally ignore the follow up affidavits in which they stated that they were wrong about the rifle being a mauser. 

So the photos show that they were wrong and they stated that they were wrong.....But please continue to display your ignorance...  because it definitely does NOT enhance your credibility.

[John Iacoletti]

If it were just an excuse, you'd be able to marshal some cogent argument against it.

I have to come up with an argument against your pure speculation that Weitzman described a clip that wasn't there, but that he just assumed was there because the rifle looked like a Mauser?  Please.