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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2019, 04:52:28 PM »
Mr Davidson has never claimed, let alone demonstrated, that the 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady here----------------
---------------is a natural shadow.
True.
The shadow on Lovelady could be natural, but somebody would have to be no more than one step down/somewhat overlapping torso with Lovelady, to cast it. (Lady in white, below and on the same side of railing as Lovelady is too low). imo
Since we can see Prayer Person in the shadows, I would expect to see the Shadow Caster too.
The gif represents the closest match to the Wiegman shadow that I have found.



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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2019, 11:19:36 AM »
Good morning!

A brief recap:

*Prayer Man remains in his same specific position, holding down that space throughout several different filming sequences (Wiegman, Cook and Darnell)
*In each of those filming sequences his shaggy shirt remains un-tucked, with his bare forearms fully exposed (contrary to the business attire of Bill Shelley).
*Note Prayer Man is still holding the same position he has maintained throughout those several different filming sequences, even after Bill Shelley has left the front entrance.

Brb...

Continuation...now turning our attention to Mr. DuVall, let's take the following into consider: In his Sixth Floor Museum  interview shares a key detail he observes from his vantage point while viewing the P. Parade about seeing a black vehicle parked aside the TSBD on his left, his words not mine. Mr. DuVall or anyone else for that matter holding down Prayer Man's position --within the inward enclosure of the front entrance--couldn't see through concrete, let alone specifically describe the colour(s) of any vehicles alongside of the building on Houston Street.

Brb...

Prayer Man was framed. The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.
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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2019, 12:15:06 PM »
Good morning!

A brief recap:

*Prayer Man remains in his same specific position, holding down that space throughout several different filming sequences (Wiegman, Cook and Darnell)

Prayer Man is not in the Cook film!

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*In each of those filming sequences his shaggy shirt remains un-tucked, with his bare forearms fully exposed (contrary to the business attire of Bill Shelley).

You cannot possibly make out such a detail in the Wiegman film! And it is not a given that Mr Shelley was wearing business attire at the time of the assassination! (Mr Frazier suggests otherwise.)

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*Note Prayer Man is still holding the same position he has maintained throughout those several different filming sequences, even after Bill Shelley has left the front entrance.

Not necessarily. If one compares the right elbow from Wiegman to Darnell, one finds that this is not a person in the "same specific position". PrayerManInDarnell may not even have his hands in the 'prayer' position at all------------his arms may be folded!

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Continuation...now turning our attention to Mr. DuVall, let's take the following into consider:

Well, how about we start here------------------



------------------and go from that to here!-------------------



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In his Sixth Floor Museum  interview shares a key detail he observes from his vantage point while viewing the P. Parade about seeing a black vehicle parked aside the TSBD on his left, his words not mine. Mr. DuVall or anyone else for that matter holding down Prayer Man's position --within the inward enclosure of the front entrance--couldn't see through concrete, let alone specifically describe the colour(s) of any vehicles alongside of the building on Houston Street.

But he said he was sitting on the third step when JFK passed. I am suggesting that he was doing just that, and after the shooting stood up and took up a spot very close to where Mr Shelley had been standing. And that Darnell (not Wiegman!) shows him there, arms folded and his newspaper giving the illusion of his left arm (and hence that he is the same 'Prayer Man' we have just seen in Wiegman):



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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2019, 01:07:11 PM »

But he said he was sitting on the third step when JFK passed. I am suggesting that he was doing just that, and after the shooting stood up and took up a spot very close to where Mr Shelley had been standing. And that Darnell (not Wiegman!) shows him there, arms folded and his newspaper giving the illusion of his left arm (and hence that he is the same 'Prayer Man' we have just seen in Wiegman):


Do you honestly believe anyone in a sitting position could see around and/or over everyone else?

Do you honestly believe your suggestion in Weigman of a throwaway Styrofoam coffee cup morphs into a newspaper?

Is Prayer Man sitting?
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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2019, 01:28:01 PM »

But he said he was sitting on the third step when JFK passed. I am suggesting that he was doing just that, and after the shooting stood up and took up a spot very close to where Mr Shelley had been standing. And that Darnell (not Wiegman!) shows him there, arms folded and his newspaper giving the illusion of his left arm (and hence that he is the same 'Prayer Man' we have just seen in Wiegman):


Do you honestly believe anyone in a sitting position could see around and/or over everyone else?

Who exactly would he have needed to see around/over? The west side of the steps weren't exactly crowded!

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Do you honestly believe your suggestion in Weigman of a throwaway Styrofoam coffee cup morphs into a newspaper?

Do you honestly believe that is my suggestion?

Here is what I'm actually proposing:

Wiegman: PrayerMan = Mr Shelley with cup
Darnell: PrayerMan = Mr DuVall with newspaper

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Is Prayer Man sitting?

No-----------but the person who is about to become PrayerMan in Darnell may be sitting in Wiegman, even as the person who is PrayerMan in Wiegman is standing in Wiegman but is about to leave the steps and run into Ms Calvery at the edge of the 'park'!

Now! Question for you, Mr Ford:

If Prayer Man in Wiegman is Mr Oswald, why on earth would the cover-up investigators go to the trouble of putting a dark shadow down Mr Lovelady?

Another Question for you!

Do you accept that this is Mr DuVall in the Hughes film?



Finally! Do you really think the following identification can be ruled out?



Think about it: if Mr DuVall looks strikingly like Mr Oswald, then what grounds have you for arguing that PrayerManInDarnell, whom you believe looks like Mr Oswald, looks nothing like Mr DuVall?

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