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Offline Alan Ford

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A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« on: December 04, 2019, 01:09:40 AM »
Friends, now that Mr Oswald has been found in the Wiegman film-----------



-----------we can rule him out as Prayer Person in WiegmanThumb1:

As I have argued elsewhere, Prayer Person in Wiegman is in fact Mr Bill Shelley.

But! Who is Prayer Person in Darnell?



It's not Mr Shelley, that's for sure.

Could it be Mr Oswald? It's just possible, though I now strongly doubt it (for a reason I won't go into here... oh alright then: white tshirt!).

The problem is, no other Depository employee fits the bill.  :'(

However! Here's a new candidate: Mr Ken DuVall.

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2019, 03:48:29 AM »
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You're four months early.... featuring "some guy" who was unknown until circa 2009, born in 1931, died in 2018, offered no verifiable proof of his claims,
and who also claimed he saw what he imagined was a "railroad worker," disembark from a black car, (or for that matter, the "railroad worker or Mr. Duvall's commercial vehicle) not captured in any known still or moving image, and walk on the grassy knoll, (or whatever) with what might have been a rifle concealed in a leg of the coveralls he was attired in. Not only are the black car, the railroad worker, his sighting of Oswald, and his textbook delivery vehicle unverified, Duvall's presence is unmentioned in any witness account.

Why not proclaim you've achieved your goal in your next post, and just call it a day?

Out of consideration for readers who could be doing something else (like scooping up and weighing their navel lint) instead of wading through tens of future pages of this thread, I thought it would be considerate to get these insurmountable challenges to the potential of this thread informing anyone of anything, out of the way sooner rather than later.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2019, 05:13:41 AM by Tom Scully »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2019, 06:03:53 PM »
You're four months early.... featuring "some guy" who was unknown until circa 2009, born in 1931, died in 2018, offered no verifiable proof of his claims,
and who also claimed he saw what he imagined was a "railroad worker," disembark from a black car, (or for that matter, the "railroad worker or Mr. Duvall's commercial vehicle) not captured in any known still or moving image, and walk on the grassy knoll, (or whatever) with what might have been a rifle concealed in a leg of the coveralls he was attired in. Not only are the black car, the railroad worker, his sighting of Oswald, and his textbook delivery vehicle unverified, Duvall's presence is unmentioned in any witness account.

Why not proclaim you've achieved your goal in your next post, and just call it a day?

Out of consideration for readers who could be doing something else (like scooping up and weighing their navel lint) instead of wading through tens of future pages of this thread, I thought it would be considerate to get these insurmountable challenges to the potential of this thread informing anyone of anything, out of the way sooner rather than later.

Well, Mr Scully, I have found Mr Oswald--------------the accused assassin (of JFK, that is, not Lincoln, sorry)--------------in the Wiegman film. This obviously arouses feelings of intense resentment in the breast of a sad insecure little narcissist like you, but hey--------not my problem!  Thumb1:

Now to your substantive points!

1. The Sixth Floor Museum saw fit to do an oral interview with Mr DuVall. One assumes they would not have gone ahead with that without his furnishing any verification of his employment history with Central Motor Freight. But if your positively Sherlock-Holmes-like ability to use the word search function on archives has yielded evidence that he made his employment history up, and/or that Central Motor Freight truckers never picked up shipments at the Texas School Book Depository, and/or that Mr DuVall himself never picked up shipments at the Depository, do let us know!  Thumb1:

2. You speak of verifiable proof of his claims. What exactly would you like from Mr DuVall by way of verifiable proof for his claim to have encountered Mr Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom before the motorcade? If he didn't take a photograph, does that prove it didn't happen? If Mr Oswald didn't say Mr DuVall's name at the midnight press conference, does that prove Mr DuVall a liar?

3. Mr DuVall claimed that he asked Mr Oswald if he was going to go out to watch the motorcade and that Mr Oswald answered, "Yeah, I'm gonna go see him." This is interesting because we now know-------------thanks to Mr Kamp--------------that Mr Oswald indeed claimed to have visited the second floor lunchroom before the motorcade and to have gone "outside to watch P. parade". And indeed we now know that Mr Oswald did in fact go outside to watch the P. parade. A lucky double guess from Mr DuVall, several years before the unearthing of the Hosty notes? Maybe... Maybe not!  Thumb1:

4. Mr DuVall claimed to have been sitting on the front steps for the motorcade and to have noticed the black car when JFK "came down Main to turn right". You say there is no still or moving image of this event. Can you kindly point us to the still and/or moving images taken of the front of the Depository when JFK was on Main Street about to turn right?  Thumb1:

5. You obviously don't believe that Mr DuVall is Prayer Person in Darnell. Fine. Who do you think Prayer Person in Darnell is? Can you give us a single name? If you couldn't be bothered with the issue, then you are perfectly free to dump your incoherent off-topic word-search garbage on other threads!  Thumb1:

6. I will come on to Mr DuVall's claim to have been sitting on the front steps when JFK passed by anon. There may possibly be photographic evidence to support his claim.  Thumb1:
« Last Edit: December 04, 2019, 06:08:07 PM by Alan Ford »

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2019, 06:44:39 PM »
Season's Greeting!

In fairness to those reading along, we should consider the following before placing Ken DuVall into Prayer Manís position:

*Did the delivery-drivers in his trucking firm wear a particular uniform scheme/pattern, taking into consideration the colours of the shirt, trousers and/or cap w/an accompanying name tag formation/etching across one of the shirt pocketsÖwith all due respect to the Prayer Man figure his choice of clothing isnít indicative of a uniformed delivery-driver as much as that of a capless TSBD employee warehouseman comfortable in his dress down familiar surroundings.

Upon reading the companyís website ---->

http://centralfreight.com/website/static/History.aspx

found no historical images to determine their choice of a uniform scheme, so left an inquiry on their Contact page ---->

http://centralfreight.com/website/HumanResources.aspx

Hello

A quick question for you, From 1952 to 1977, Is there someone in the Office who may recall if your delivery-drivers wore uniforms; and if so what were the specific colours? Would it have been a reddish brown shirt over gray pants?
Best to all of you in your company for a safe & happy holiday season right into the new year.

Alan J. Ford
New London, CT
(860) 443-XXXX
a1anford@aol.com


Hopefully someone-amid this busy holiday season-may have time on their hands to generate a response. 

Will certainly share here if so. Meanwhile, for clarity sake, where I genuinely respect & admire Mr. Fordís research efforts, I believe Prayer Man is the wrongly accused, captured in the same specific position throughout three different filming sequences (Wiegman, Cook and Darnell).

The wrongly accused was framed. The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2019, 12:20:31 AM »
Season's Greeting!

In fairness to those reading along, we should consider the following before placing Ken DuVall into Prayer Manís position:

*Did the delivery-drivers in his trucking firm wear a particular uniform scheme/pattern, taking into consideration the colours of the shirt, trousers and/or cap w/an accompanying name tag formation/etching across one of the shirt pocketsÖwith all due respect to the Prayer Man figure his choice of clothing isnít indicative of a uniformed delivery-driver as much as that of a capless TSBD employee warehouseman comfortable in his dress down familiar surroundings.

Upon reading the companyís website ---->

http://centralfreight.com/website/static/History.aspx

found no historical images to determine their choice of a uniform scheme, so left an inquiry on their Contact page ---->

http://centralfreight.com/website/HumanResources.aspx

Hello

A quick question for you, From 1952 to 1977, Is there someone in the Office who may recall if your delivery-drivers wore uniforms; and if so what were the specific colours? Would it have been a reddish brown shirt over gray pants?
Best to all of you in your company for a safe & happy holiday season right into the new year.

Thank you very much for looking into this, Mr Ford!  Thumb1:

Small point, but worth mentioning: Darnell does not show Prayer Man in a reddish brown shirt over gray pants, as it is a black-and-white film.

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2019, 01:16:27 AM »
You are certainly welcome, Mr. Ford, and point well taken at the late Jimmy Darnell (RIP) black & white film.

While awaiting a response from my inquiry to Mr. DuVall's former employer, did some more snooping around today...managing to find...

Mr. DuVallís surviving daughterís Facebook page ----->

https://www.facebook.com/teresa.duvallwalker

In her photos, particularly the 33rd row down, very 1st image (there's a photo of her parents touring the White House in 1963)
Mr. DuVallís thinning, balding hair on both sides atop his head in that photo is not similar to the colour nor volume/texture of Prayer Man, who has much more hair than the obvious balding Mr. DuVall during the same year (1963).

Again, appreciate your exemplary research, Mr. Ford, as we both share the same sentiments @ the wrongly accused had an airtight alibi, one that was purposely hidden from public view/consumption for decades. The wrongly accused was framed.

The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2019, 01:21:25 AM by Alan J. Ford »

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2019, 01:31:03 AM »
You are certainly welcome, Mr. Ford, and point well taken at the late Jimmy Darnell (RIP) black & white photo.

While awaiting a response from my inquiry to Mr. DuVall's former employer, did some more snooping around today...managing to find...

Mr. DuVallís surviving daughterís Facebook page ----->

https://www.facebook.com/teresa.duvallwalker

In her photos, particularly the 33rd row down, very 1st image (there's photo of her parents touring the White House in 1963)
Mr. DuVallís thinning, balding hair on both sides atop his head in that photo is not similar to the colour nor volume/texture of Prayer Man, who has much more hair than the obvious balding Mr. DuVall during the same year (1963).

Fantastic work, Mr Ford, thank you!  Thumb1:

Is there any chance you could post the photograph in question here so we could take a look? If Mr DuVall's hair looks nothing like PrayerManInDarnell's, then I will not hesitate to rule him out!

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Again, appreciate your exemplary research, Mr. Ford, as we both share the same sentiments @ the wrongly accused had an airtight alibi, one that was purposely hidden from public view/consumption for decades. The wrongly accused was framed.

The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

Amen, brother!  Thumb1:



Compare with this nonsense...



 :D

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2019, 09:48:30 AM »
Fantastic work, Mr Ford, thank you!  Thumb1:

Is there any chance you could post the photograph in question here so we could take a look? If Mr DuVall's hair looks nothing like PrayerManInDarnell's, then I will not hesitate to rule him out!

Amen, brother!  Thumb1:



Compare with this nonsense...



 :D

PrayerPerson was a dude taking pictures with a camera (photo or 8mm film).  Nobody was paying attention to who was standing next to whom whilst the president was a-goin' by......  this was history !!!  But alas, it wasn't Oswald.  He was busy upstairs killing the president.  The evidence is overwhelming.....
« Last Edit: December 08, 2019, 09:49:37 AM by Mark A. Oblazney »

Offline Alan J. Ford

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2019, 03:27:53 PM »

Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Boyd DuVall, touring the White House in 1963

Though there is a vast contrast in difference between Mr. DuVall and Prayer Man, at least Mr. Ford presented a plausible candidate, rather than the horse manure Mr. Doyle tried to pass off as more than mere masquerading "research".  As Clint Eastwood would say, he's a legend in his own mind...

Again, Mr. Ford, appreciate, admire and respect your exemplary research, in spite of our respective placements of the wrongly accused standing outside in front of his workplace during the P. Parade...




« Last Edit: December 08, 2019, 04:51:33 PM by Alan J. Ford »

Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2019, 05:06:20 PM »

At 12:30pm, CST, on 11/22/'63, there were numerous persons that were known to be standing on the top step/landing and stairs of the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building as the Presidential Motorcade turned onto Elm St and drove past the Elm St Entrance. And, said persons being employed at the TSBD Bldg, most if not all, knew who LeeHarveyOswald was. And, if not then certainly later, knew him by sight and name.

However, not a single eyewitness/occupant of the top step/landing/stairs ever gave sworn statements/testimony that LHO was on said top step/landing/stairs as the Limousine carrying President and Mrs Kennedy, as well as Governor and Mrs Connally drove past the TSBD Bldg.

« Last Edit: December 08, 2019, 05:12:17 PM by Larry Trotter »

 

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