Gus Rose

[Charles Collins]

As you have implied I was not acting in good faith I would appreciate a response to my post above. Did Bugliosi suggest anywhere that there might have been an alternative for Fritz finding out about Beckley other than from Oswald? If not, I gather we grant him "poetic licence" but acknowledge it as such. It seems he was not complete too. I take my point as proven.

Bugliosi fails to tell the complete story, when the material is questioned the questioner's honesty is called. I seem to remember you live in an area that supports Trump. Looks like consistent style.

Colin, my implication was out of line. And I apologize for that. You are more reasonable than most. From my perspective, it often appears that people purposely try to trip up the opposition in order to make them look foolish. But I don’t think that is your way. I was probably overreacting.

I agree with you that the 3:30 time doesn’t appear to agree with the other evidence. If you want my guess, I guess that it is just an honest mistake.

[Charles Collins]

Mrs. PAINE - I can proceed. I recall my feeling of anger with her for not being more upset, or she didn't appear to me to be, any more than reporting a remarkable news item. Then it was shortly after that that the bell rang and I went to the door and met some six officers from the sheriff's office and police station.
Mr. JENNER - Was this approximately 3:30 p.m.?
Mrs. PAINE - Oh, I think it was earlier, but I wouldn't be certain. I know that we had put our children to bed. They were all taking a nap, though I am not certain. Yes, my little girl was asleep also. I cried after I had heard that the President was dead, and my little girl was upset, too, always taking it from me more than from any understanding of the situation. And she cried herself to sleep on the sofa, and I moved her to her bed, and Christopher was already asleep in his crib. June was in bed asleep.
Mr. JENNER - Was Marina emotional at all? Did she cry?
Mrs. PAINE - No. She said to me, "I feel very badly also, but we seem to show that we are upset in different ways." She did not actually cry.
Mr. McCLOY - May I go back a moment there, if I may. You said you were Sitting on the sofa--that she and you were sitting on the sofa. While you were listening or looking at the television, was there any announcement over the television of a suspicion being cast at Lee?
Mrs. PAINE - It had just been announced that they had caught someone in a theatre, but there was no name given.

Mr. LIEBELER. I believe it was Fifth.
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and I took our officer, Harry Weatherford, and we met Officer Adamcik that works for the city and Officer Rose and another one of their officers, but I don't recall his name right now--at this address in Irving and when we went to the door, what turned out to be Mrs. Paine just as soon as we stepped on the porch, she said, "Come on in, we've been expecting you, and we didn't have any trouble at all--we just went right on in and stared asking her--at that time it didn't appear that her or Mrs. Oswald, or Marina, who came up carrying one of the babies in the living room--it didn't appear that they knew that Oswald had been arrested at all--the way they talked.

The point is Charles, they didn't know it was Lee at the time the cops arrived. They were listening to the news (of course). It was not at 3.30pm when they arrived.

The best I can determine, so far, the name was broadcast on the radio before it was broadcast on television. Mr Johnson at North Beckley apparently saw the first broadcast on television (with a photo) while the officers were still confused due to the fake name (O H Lee). Johnson recognized the face on television and pointed them to Oswald’s room. This happened at a little after 3:00 I believe. So it appears to me that the arrival of the officers at the Paine house was likely just before 3:00.

[Colin Crow]

Colin, my implication was out of line. And I apologize for that. You are more reasonable than most. From my perspective, it often appears that people purposely try to trip up the opposition in order to make them look foolish. But I don’t think that is your way. I was probably overreacting.

I agree with you that the 3:30 time doesn’t appear to agree with the other evidence. If you want my guess, I guess that it is just an honest mistake.

Thanks Charles......appreciated. Like I said I believe the sentiment expressed by Rose works well if Ruth and Marina were not aware of Oswald's apprehension at that time. I suspect it most likely happened about 2.45pm, not 3.30pm.

[Colin Crow]

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you talk to your wife after you heard that the Texas School Book Depository Building was involved in the shooting, and before you subsequently heard that Oswald had been arrested in connection with the assassination?
Mr. PAINE - I don't believe so. I think I called her only once to see that she was listening to the news, and then I assumed she would know all that I knew, and as soon as she heard that I supposed she would be wondering the same thing. It wasn't many minutes later though, it seemed to me, that the name Lee Oswald was mentioned-in the theater. The newsmen didn't connect it up at all, but that is all I needed to send me home.
Mr. LIEBELER - So then you left for your home in Irving?
Mr. PAINE - Yes.

It would seem the sequence was;

An arrest in the theatre announced....

then Cops knock at the Paine front door.....

then Michael Paine heard Oswald's name in connection with the theatre arrest and leaves for Irving.

[John Iacoletti]

CTs only try to convert the dots into question marks. Problem is they don’t have any ink (evidence) to put in their pens.

LNers have a predetermined picture that they try to draw regardless of where the dots actually are.

[Bill Chapman]

I guess that it is just an honest mistake.

Finally, after ten pages of BS we arrive at the LN Classic Bailout.

it often appears that people purposely try to trip up the opposition in order to make them look foolish

Certainly not in this case, you're doing fine on your own!

On top of that you also served another LN Classic: Bugliosi Balony.

Fake quotes that tried to cover up Fritz lying his eyes out.

Collin & Chapman, flat on their faces, "connecting the dots", LOL.

See you around, guys.

Connecting the dots

[Colin Crow]

FYI: "Mr. Payne walked up to the house in Irving about 15 minutes after we first arrived." -- Weatherford.

His drive took how long?

Do the backward calculation, would the "Oswald" name have been out before he called RP and left work?

Didn't they arrest A.J. Hidell?

I did calculate some time back Otto, I might be wrong but Michael's workplace was not that far from Ruth's. About 15 minutes if I remember right. If Oswald was first mentioned by name at 2.42pm (credit DVP), then 3.00pm sounds about right to me. He estimated between 3pm and 3.30pm.