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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #960 on: December 09, 2019, 04:24:42 PM »
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     That IS the crux of the Issue. Where is Lovelady standing? Lovelady has to be standing with his (R) Shoulder almost touching the West Wall, for a shadow to fall Anywhere on his body. For a shadow to Blanket HALF of his body he has to almost be Hugging that (W) wall. Look at the position of Lovelady vs the Black Guy below him. The Black Guy is very close to the wall and Lovelady is Clearly standing well East/to the Right of him. Also bear in mind the handrail. How far from the handrail is Lovelady standing?

Exactly, Mr Storing!  Thumb1:

And this why they're so screwed-------------------because, for Mr Lovelady to be catching shadow, he'd have to be standing directly behind Mr Carl Edward Jones (the black man standing on the second step over at the west column):



Quite apart from the self-evident absurdity of such an idea, if Mr Lovelady were that far west he would be blocking Prayer Person.

Mr Mytton, of course, recognized this problem. His solution? That Mr Lovelady in the above frame is not on the steps but halfway back on the landing... bending over to tie his shoelaces!!

Demented stuff from a LN 'researcher' in sheer denial about a devastatingly simple fact:

The 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady's side in Wiegman is not a natural shadow!

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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #961 on: December 09, 2019, 04:50:25 PM »
Exactly, Mr Storing!  Thumb1:

And this why they're so screwed-------------------because, for Mr Lovelady to be catching shadow, he'd have to be standing directly behind Mr Carl Edward Jones (the black man standing on the second step over at the west column):



Quite apart from the self-evident absurdity of such an idea, if Mr Lovelady were that far west he would be blocking Prayer Person.

Mr Mytton, of course, recognized this problem. His solution? That Mr Lovelady in the above frame is not on the steps but halfway back on the landing... bending over to tie his shoelaces!!

Demented stuff from a LN 'researcher' in sheer denial about a devastatingly simple fact:

The 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady's side in Wiegman is not a natural shadow!

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    The Lovelady position issue is also why Mytton had to Mickey Mouse the position of the handrail. The Black Guy standing at the Bottom/Touching the Wall easily places Lovelady in close proximity to the handrail = NO SHADOW falling there.  Easy-Peasy
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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #962 on: December 09, 2019, 05:33:32 PM »
    The Lovelady position issue is also why Mytton had to Mickey Mouse the position of the handrail. The Black Guy standing at the Bottom/Touching the Wall easily places Lovelady in close proximity to the handrail = NO SHADOW falling there.  Easy-Peasy

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #963 on: December 09, 2019, 05:45:46 PM »
Lemon squeezy!  Thumb1:

   Shia Labeouf's Not my cup of tea, but I watch "The Greatest Game Ever Played" every time the Golf Channel puts it on. That is a stunningly beautiful looking movie. I also enjoy watching the acting of Stephen Dillane. His portrayal of Stannis Baratheon on "Game Of Thrones" was a tour de force.

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #964 on: December 09, 2019, 05:58:51 PM »

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #965 on: December 09, 2019, 06:50:38 PM »

Mr Mytton, of course, recognized this problem. His solution? That Mr Lovelady in the above frame is not on the steps but halfway back on the landing... bending over to tie his shoelaces!!

Demented stuff from a LN 'researcher' in sheer denial about a devastatingly simple fact:


My original quote.

The Lovelady stepping down is a red herring because look at the distance from the top of Lovelady's head to the next frame, that distance is way too much for a step but if you look closely at the shape of Lovelady's head, the way he counterbalances himself with his right arm, the angle and shape of his Tshirt, his button shirt right side falling forward and creating a shadow across his tummy, his left lapel that tightens and removes the shadow, his upper body twisting and the shadowing on Lovelady's face, it looks like he's ducking a little and bending forward as you do, to try and get a better look at something or maybe he was just leaning forward to tie up his shoe laces? The total amount of frames of Lovelady is about half a second and is just a flash in time.



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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #966 on: December 09, 2019, 06:57:40 PM »

In my humble opinion, Mr. Ford has been fully discredited.

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Yep, and after my credibility smashing discoveries, watching Ford's mad scramble to save face is absolutely hilarious. :'(
Ford's OP clearly states that the "impossible" shadow area was BLACKED OUT but obviously it's nothing of the sort. Thumb1:



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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #967 on: December 09, 2019, 08:22:08 PM »
My original quote.

The Lovelady stepping down is a red herring because look at the distance from the top of Lovelady's head to the next frame, that distance is way too much for a step but if you look closely at the shape of Lovelady's head, the way he counterbalances himself with his right arm, the angle and shape of his Tshirt, his button shirt right side falling forward and creating a shadow across his tummy, his left lapel that tightens and removes the shadow, his upper body twisting and the shadowing on Lovelady's face, it looks like he's ducking a little and bending forward as you do, to try and get a better look at something or maybe he was just leaning forward to tie up his shoe laces? The total amount of frames of Lovelady is about half a second and is just a flash in time.



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      You continue claiming that Lovelady's "shirt right side falling FORWARD...." ?? Your Blatantly False "Forward" claim Taints All of your observations/opinions. The Lovelady shirt flap is falling BACKWARD toward the chest of Lovelady. Perhaps Lovelady is stepping down/thumping down and Jarring that shirt flap BACK toward him?  Whatever the cause may be, Your Mr Magoo Description of that shirt flap falling "Forward" is Incorrect as the entire Forum can see. Not to mention the distance between Lovelady and the Black Guy standing against the West Wall DQ's there being a shadow stretching that far across the steps and then falling upon Lovelady. The total number of issues You have wrong regarding the, (1)Shadow, (2) Physical Position Of Lovelady (3) Handrail Position, and (4)Lovelady Shirt Flap continue mounting by the day. This proves the age old axiom that "one lie leads to another".
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