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Offline Alan Ford

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Those Front Steps
« on: September 21, 2019, 06:48:41 PM »
Friends, let's suppose for argument's sake that

---------------Mr Billy Lovelady is indeed shown in the Couch film


---------------Ms Gloria Calvery is indeed shown in the Darnell film at the front steps


---------------Mr Shelley told the truth in his November 22nd affidavit about running into Ms Calvery at 'the corner of the park' just after the shooting


---------------Mr Lovelady told the truth in his November 22nd FBI interview about leaving the steps immediately along with Mr Shelley after hearing the shots


---------------Mr Oswald told the truth in custody when he claimed to have gone 'out to watch the P. parade' after eating his lunch


So!

The question becomes-------------------
Why did Messrs Shelley and Lovelady change their story for the WC and say they both stayed on the steps and only left them after hearing from Ms Calvery about what had happened out on the street?
It seems such a pointless lie to tell, no?

Proposed solution!

The man in the red shirt standing just above Mr Carl Edward Jones in the Hughes film is not Mr Lovelady but Mr Oswald


'Prayer Person' in the Wiegman film-----------

------------is Mr Shelley in short-sleeves-------------

-------------continuing to eat the lunch which he had started (affidavit, 22nd Nov) before going out to the steps

Mr Oswald, who is still just a step above Mr Carl Edward Jones, but now slightly more eastwards, has been blacked out of the Wiegman film (the impossible dark strip down Mr Lovelady's right side!)

---------------but! his raised right arm and a bit of his hairline can be seen in the Altgens photograph as originally printed on the newswires----------------


The person talking to Ms Calvery in the Darnell film is Mr Oswald (he has hardly moved position the whole time)-------------


Is Prayer Person in Darnell someone who was not on the steps at the time of the shooting? If so, then my suggestion would be-----------
Mrs Jeraldean Reid----------


-------------who was originally on the steps, then ventured out as the motorcade arrived.
Did she return to the steps to get out of the line of fire?

If so!

To return to the question we opened with............
Why did Messrs Shelley and Lovelady change their story for the WC and say they both stayed on the steps and only left them after hearing from Ms Calvery about what had happened out on the street?
Answer: To knock Mr Oswald out of the talking-with-Ms-Calvery picture!

Postscript!
In their weasely-worded 22nd Nov statements, neither Mr Shelley nor Mr Lovelady say outright that they did not see Mr Oswald at the time of the shooting---------------

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Offline Brian Doyle

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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2019, 06:56:01 PM »

Sandy Larsen proved Lovelady was the man on the extension by forensically photo-matching the plaid bars on his shirt to Lovelady's shirt...Only he deleted the post from the Education Forum because he realized it disproved the Prayer Man theory...

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2019, 07:26:46 PM »


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Alan,

With all due respect and in my humble opinion ... you've gotten things all screwed up.

The biggest indicator of that is your positing that the bald-headed man wearing the long-sleeved red shirt over a white T-shirt was not Billy Lovelady, but Lee Harvey Oswald.

(LOL)

I hope you're not an acolyte of Ralph Cinque and that other guy.

Although I don't subscribe to Brian Doyle's theory that there were two Oswalds in the TSBD and that one of them was told by his evil, evil, evil CIA handler to be in the Second Floor Lunchroom around 12:31, I do think he might be right in saying that in Couch-Darnell we can see Shelley and Lovelady bookin' it down Elm Street Extension about three seconds after hearing, on the TSBD steps, Calvery's bellowing out, "The president has been shot".

I should be grateful, though, for your at least realizing that that's Gloria Calvery standing on a lower step, talking with a man who ... gasp ... might even be Joe Molina.

--  Mudd Wrassler Tommy ;)

PS  Prayer Person was photographically captured by Wiegman during the shooting, and by Couch-Darnell about 25 seconds later.

PPS  If anyone's "testimony" is off, it's probably Lovelady's and/or Shelley's.

Which would be automatically suspicious because their statements have a bearing on the veracity of Vicki Adams' and Sandra Styles' testimonies, among other things.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2019, 08:17:48 PM by Thomas Graves »

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2019, 08:22:50 PM »
your positing that the bald-headed man wearing the long-sleeved red shirt over a white T-shirt was not Billy Lovelady, but Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr Graves, how on earth can you tell that this man in a red(dish) shirt in the Hughes film is Mr Lovelady rather than Mr Oswald?


Why can't it be Mr Oswald wearing this shirt? (Credit for photograph: Mr Pat Speer!)


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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 08:38:08 PM »
Mr Graves, how on earth can you tell that this man [on the steps as the limo is passing by] in a red(dish) shirt in the Hughes film is Mr Lovelady rather than Mr. Oswald?

Alan,

Realizing that Lovelady was practically bald, that he said he'd watched the motorcade from the TSBD steps, that he was wearing a mostly red plaid shirt that day (over a whiteT-shirt), as can be seen in the Robert Hughes and/or the John Martin film after the assassination (as well as in footage in which the police are taking Oswald past him and into an interrogation room, or some-such thing)?

Occam's Razor?

Common sense?

Beats the heck out of me.

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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 08:49:37 PM »

In his 1964 FBI statement Lovelady said he was to the far right of the Depository entranceway when the limousine passed the building...

He said Sarah Stanton was next to him at the time...

The red plaid shirt with white T-shirt is exactly what you see Lovelady wearing in other photos...

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2019, 08:52:37 PM »
Alan,

Realizing that Lovelady was practically bald, that he said he'd watched the motorcade from the TSBD steps, that he was wearing a mostly red plaid shirt that day (over a whiteT-shirt), as can be seen in the Robert Hughes and/or the John Martin film after the assassination (as well as in footage in which the police are taking Oswald past him and into an interrogation room, or some-such thing)?

Occam's Razor?

Common sense?

Beats the heck out of me.

--  MWT  ;

Mr Graves, how exactly can you tell that this man is bald?


And that his shirt is plaid?

As for common sense, it takes very seriously these words from Agent Hosty's notes---------


Also.......you seem to have missed this!


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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2019, 09:23:08 PM »
Mr Graves, how exactly can you tell that this man is bald?


And that his shirt is plaid?

As for common sense, it takes very seriously these words from Agent Hosty's notes---------


Also.......you seem to have missed this!


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Alan,

Are you (a much more polite) reincarnation of John Iacoletti?

Don't you understand that that's Lovelady, having moved down a few steps from his Altgens-6 "Doorman" center-railing position, and that Lee Harvey Oswald is upstairs in his white T-shirt, getting ready to murder JFK?

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2019, 09:31:23 PM »
Alan,

Are you (a much more polite) reincarnation of John Iacoletti?

Don't you understand that that's Lovelady, having moved down a few steps from his Altgens-6 "Doorman" center-railing position, and that Lee Harvey Oswald is upstairs in his white T-shirt, getting ready to murder JFK?

--  MWT  ;)

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So you can't back up your claim that this man in the Hughes film-------

---------is bald and wearing a plaid shirt.
It's just what your Oswald-Did-It eyes are telling you, and that's enough for you!

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2019, 09:45:47 PM »
:D

So you can't back up your claim that this man in the Hughes film-------

---------is bald and wearing a plaid shirt.
It's just what your Oswald-Did-It eyes are telling you, and that's enough for you!

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Alan,

1)  I just did (see my above posts -- plural)

2)  The most important thing about his shirt for purposes of this conversation is that it's mostly dark red (not brownish-pinkish), and that he's wearing it over a white T-shirt (a sliver of which can be glimpsed in the Hughes film as Lovelady, on the steps after the assassination and looking "Neanderthal-like" because he's jutting his jaw out while slowly exhaling cigarette smoke).

Which (dark-reddish) plaid shirt, by the way, Lovelady (with bald spot and everything) can be seen wearing with what looks like a pack of cigarettes in the pocket as they're leading Oswald past him in the police station.

3)  Since you don't want to be reasonable in our little "debate," the last thing I'm going to say to you regarding your "theory" is ... LOL!

--  MWT    ;)


« Last Edit: September 21, 2019, 09:52:40 PM by Thomas Graves »

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