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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #644 on: November 27, 2019, 02:16:42 AM »
Now!

Let us remind ourselves of a key fact here---------------Mr Lovelady is seen in the Hughes film on a low step over by the west of the entranceway when JFK actually passes the building:



He then moves east towards the center railing and up several steps in order to keep JFK's limousine in view. Both Altgens and (then) Wiegman capture him straining to do just that, though his posture does not remain quite the same from Altgens to Wiegman (compare position of tshirt relative to head!):





Mr Lovelady gets in Mr Oswald's way...



Hence the movement of Mr Oswald's head:



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Okay, Alan, where you have highlighted the presumed to be Oswalds head located to the LEFT of and behind Lovelady, would better explain having to blacken out that space just to the left of Lovelady.


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #645 on: November 27, 2019, 10:44:54 AM »
Okay, Alan, where you have highlighted the presumed to be Oswalds head located to the LEFT of and behind Lovelady, would better explain having to blacken out that space just to the left of Lovelady.

I'm sorry, Mr Mason, I don't quite understand what you mean here... Are you using 'left' to mean Mr Lovelady's left, i.e. east? Or left as we look at the image?

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Offline Matthew Finch

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« Reply #646 on: November 27, 2019, 01:04:38 PM »
To think after all this time we'd be hotly debating the 3D positioning of a faffing railing pole! No-one of any consequence was in this stairwell if you ask me, anyhow. I agree we should discuss pertinent points of the case, but... ...this?

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #647 on: November 27, 2019, 01:13:07 PM »
To think after all this time we'd be hotly debating the 3D positioning of a faffing railing pole!

We're not hotly debating the center railing, Mr Finch, because there's nothing to debate-----------Mr Mytton's misleading visuals simply required robust correcting. Done!  Thumb1:

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No-one of any consequence was in this stairwell if you ask me, anyhow.

So you can explain the dark vertical strip down Mr Lovelady in the Wiegman film? Cool!



Tell us! 

If it turns out you can't tell us, then sorry, but you don't get to dismiss this as a non-issue------because the absence of any natural explanation for that dark vertical strip forces the conclusion that the Wiegman film was doctored, which in turn forces the question--------------why would it have been altered?

I have offered a perfectly straightforward answer to that question: because Mr Oswald was standing just behind Mr Lovelady.

Ergo!------------what we're hotly debating here is in fact the central question of the whole case: Mr Oswald's whereabouts at the time of the assassination.

The only reason I'm winning here is that I have the facts on my side. It is dawning on Team Keep LHO Away From That Entranceway that---------horror of horrors----------they have nothing credible to throw at this. A.k.a.--------they're screwed, and Mr Oswald is exonerated.

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Offline Matthew Finch

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« Reply #648 on: November 27, 2019, 01:36:31 PM »
Pardon my naivety here, as it is from Wiegman, have you got the previous and post frames (to that one selected frame you keep referring to) from the film in question (at the size of the image in your previous post)? What is the consistency of that 'black shadow' throughout the other frames?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #649 on: November 27, 2019, 01:42:27 PM »
Pardon my naivety here, as it is from Wiegman, have you got the previous and post frames (to that one selected frame you keep referring to) from the film in question (at the size of the image in your previous post)? What is the consistency of that 'black shadow' throughout the other frames?

Not at the size of the frame posted (which is a scan from Mr H. Weisberg's archive), Mr Finch, but this gif shows the problem clearly:



A consistent dark 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady's right side------------even though the man is standing in direct sunlight!

Those who darkened his right (i.e. west) side counted on folks just assuming the shadow from the western column fell like that. Well, we now know to a certainty that it didn't, which fact changes everything.

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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #650 on: November 27, 2019, 03:22:54 PM »
To think after all this time we'd be hotly debating the 3D positioning of a faffing railing pole! No-one of any consequence was in this stairwell if you ask me, anyhow. I agree we should discuss pertinent points of the case, but... ...this?

     Knowing Exactly who/everyone standing on the Landing is wide open to conjecture. In my opinion, even more so than we know due to the time span between the highlighted images and people moving around during this time gap. On the other hand, the Jet Black Curtain falling Straight Down the body of Lovelady has Only 2 options: (1) Legit, or (2) Bogus.