Those Front Steps

[Alan Ford]

Can you show us please, so that we can compare it with what we see in the actual Wiegman frame? Thank you! 

Let me politely nudge Mr Mitcham along here...

Mr Mitcham, in order to get Mr Lovelady over to the shadow line you have placed him well to the west of where Mr Hackerott places him:



You have further indicated that PrayerPerson is closer to the wall and back a little from where Mr Hackerott places him. I have used a yellow arrow here to move PrayerPerson in line with your suggestion. If you are unhappy with my arrow, give us one of your own!



Now! Let us consider first the angle at which Mr Wiegman is filming and second the sizeable gap between Mr Lovelady and PrayerPerson's heads which Wiegman shows when Mr Lovelady is at lower elevation:



Now, the green line in the image below joins the heads of Mr Lovelady and PrayerPerson in the positions you are placing them:



From Wiegman's perspective, your Mr Lovelady will be standing in front of your PrayerPerson!

Are you seriously suggesting that this is compatible with the gap between Mr Lovelady and PrayerPerson which Wiegman actually shows?

Please get real, my friend, and stop pushing this nonsense! 

[Royell Storing]

The Lovelady stepping down is a red herring because look at the distance from the top of Lovelady's head to the next frame, that distance is way too much for a step but if you look closely at the shape of Lovelady's head, the way he counterbalances himself with his right arm, the angle and shape of his Tshirt, his button shirt falling forward and creating a shadow across his tummy, his upper body twisting and the shadowing on Lovelady's face, it looks like he's ducking a little and bending forward as you do, to try and get a better look at something or maybe he was just leaning forward to tie up his shoe laces? The total amount of frames of Lovelady is about half a second and is just a flash in time.





And the shadow planes confirms the above.





So as can be seen, Lovelady isn't stepping down and his actions as described above places him here and PP is against the wall a foot in front of the glass.



JohnM

     This sea sick motion Malarkey is Bogus. Look at the Guy Standing Below Lovelady.  The Rear of his head is Contracting/getting smaller as Lovelady allegedly "Bends Forward"/downward. On top of that, when Lovelady allegedly "Bends Forward", his shirt actually is moving Backward/ Toward him and flapping/pressing closer to his chest. That shirt is Not falling "forward" as claimed. It is falling Back toward Lovelady. What we are seeing defies gravity.  This Sea Sick Motion stuff is Manufactured Hokum

[John Mytton]

     This sea sick motion Malarkey is Bogus. Look at the Guy Standing Below Lovelady.  The Rear of his head is Contracting/getting smaller as Lovelady allegedly leans forward/downward. On top of that, when Lovelady allegedly "Bends Forward", his shirt actually is moving Backward/ Toward him and flapping/pressing closer to his chest. That shirt is Not falling "forward" as claimed. It is falling Back toward Lovelady. What we are seeing defies gravity.  This Sea Sick Motion stuff is Manufactured Hokum

You gotta learn how to structure a post, when you start with an uninformed negative then I ain't going to read any further, go away you stink!



JohnM

[Royell Storing]

You gotta learn how to structure a post, when you start with an uninformed negative then I ain't going to read any further, go away you stink!



JohnM

    Go away because once again You have been Busted. Not happening

[John Mytton]

    Go away because once again You have been Busted. Not happening

Been busted by you? Get the fcuk outta here.
You have never posted an analysed photo in your life because you don't know how, yet you claim to be able to bust me with a technical skill that you have never yet demonstrated. WOW!
Sorry Royell but can I rarely get through an entire post of yours because you're just so boring, Boring Storing, I'm a Poet and didn't even know it.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

The Lovelady stepping down is a red herring because look at the distance from the top of Lovelady's head to the next frame, that distance is way too much for a step but if you look closely at the shape of Lovelady's head, the way he counterbalances himself with his right arm, the angle and shape of his Tshirt, his button shirt right side falling forward and creating a shadow across his tummy, his left lapel that tightens and removes the shadow, his upper body twisting and the shadowing on Lovelady's face, it looks like he's ducking a little and bending forward as you do, to try and get a better look at something or maybe he was just leaning forward to tie up his shoe laces? The total amount of frames of Lovelady is about half a second and is just a flash in time.





And the shadow planes confirms the above.





So as can be seen, Lovelady isn't stepping down and his actions as described above places him here and PP is against the wall a foot or two in front of the glass.



JohnM

[Thomas Graves]

The Lovelady stepping down is a red herring because look at the distance from the top of Lovelady's head to the next frame, that distance is way too much for a step but if you look closely at the shape of Lovelady's head, the way he counterbalances himself with his right arm, the angle and shape of his Tshirt, his button shirt right side falling forward and creating a shadow across his tummy, his upper body twisting and the shadowing on Lovelady's face, it looks like he's ducking a little and bending forward as you do, to try and get a better look at something or maybe he was just leaning forward to tie up his shoe laces? The total amount of frames of Lovelady is about half a second and is just a flash in time.





And the shadow planes confirms the above.





So as can be seen, Lovelady isn't stepping down and his actions as described above places him here and PP is against the wall a foot or two in front of the glass.



JohnM

John,

In the great "bobbing and weaving" GIF you posted, Lovelady doesn't "lean" as far back as Frazier and the guy in the suit (Shelley? Molina?) and the others do at their apogee, but only goes vertical, instead, suggesting to me that he was already leaning forward before he leaned forward even more, which in turn suggests that he may have already had his hand on the center railing, and that it was at this earliest (Wiegman-based) point in your GIF that Altgens-6 was taken.

Question:  How many frames from Wiegman and Darnell, respectively, were incorporated into your GIF?

Was Lovelady still definitely up there on an upper step when Darnell started filming that particular scene, or is what we see some kind of "ghost image" left behind from his dashing down to a lower step to confer with dressed-in-black Gloria Calvery (to the immediate left of the gal dressed-all-in-white)?

--  MWT