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Online John Mytton

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #574 on: November 24, 2019, 12:41:47 AM »
John,

In the great "bobbing and weaving" GIF you posted, Lovelady doesn't "lean" as far back as Frazier and the guy in the suit (Shelley? Molina?) and the others do at their apogee, but only goes vertical, instead, suggesting to me that he was already leaning forward before he leaned forward even more, which in turn suggests that he may have already had his hand on the center railing, and that it was at this earliest (Wiegman-based) point in your GIF that Altgens-6 was taken.

Question:  How many frames from Wiegman and Darnell, respectively, were incorporated into your GIF?

Was Lovelady still definitely up there on an upper step when Darnell started filming that particular scene, or is what we see some kind of "ghost image" left behind from his dashing down to a lower step to confer with dressed-in-black Gloria Calvery (to the immediate left of the gal dressed-all-in-white)?

--  MWT  ;)

Hi Thomas, yeah, compare Lovelady with PrayerPerson, PP is further back and has been established as being about 5'3" but Lovelady appears to be only a little taller and Frazier who is 6 foot absolutely towers over the both of them.



Answer: using one of each is the only way to do that sort of comparison.

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« Last Edit: November 24, 2019, 12:45:01 AM by John Mytton »

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #575 on: November 24, 2019, 12:53:33 AM »
Hi Thomas, yeah, compare Lovelady with PrayerPerson, PP is further back and has been established as being about 5'3" but Lovelady appears to be only a little taller and Frazier who is 6 foot absolutely towers over the both of them.



Answer: using one of each is the only way to do that sort of comparison.

JohnM

John,

Thanks for the feedback.

Question:  Is Lovelady still up there in the Darnell frame, or could that be him on a much lower step, talking with the woman in black (to the immediate left of the woman dressed all-in-white)?

--  MWT  ;)

Edit: Come to think of it, I'm not sure I understand you. If there's only one frame from each in your GIF, why then do Prayer Person's arms go up and down so smoothly and continuously?

« Last Edit: November 24, 2019, 12:59:32 AM by Thomas Graves »

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #576 on: November 24, 2019, 02:43:52 AM »
John,

Thanks for the feedback.

Question:  Is Lovelady still up there in the Darnell frame, or could that be him on a much lower step, talking with the woman in black (to the immediate left of the woman dressed all-in-white)?

--  MWT  ;)

Edit: Come to think of it, I'm not sure I understand you. If there's only one frame from each film in your GIF, why then do Prayer Person's arms go up and down so smoothly and continuously?

John?

« Last Edit: November 24, 2019, 03:11:44 AM by Thomas Graves »

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #577 on: November 24, 2019, 03:23:51 AM »
John,

Thanks for the feedback.

Question:  Is Lovelady still up there in the Darnell frame, or could that be him on a much lower step, talking with the woman in black (to the immediate left of the woman dressed all-in-white)?

--  MWT  ;)

Edit: Come to think of it, I'm not sure I understand you. If there's only one frame from each in your GIF, why then do Prayer Person's arms go up and down so smoothly and continuously?

      Your questioning the positioning of Lovelady is answered by there being a Greater Elapsed Time between the images than has previously been accepted. The same goes for Buell Frazier and other people that were  standing in the TSBD stairs area.

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #578 on: November 24, 2019, 04:18:40 AM »
Your questioning the positioning of Lovelady is answered by there being a Greater Elapsed Time between the images than has previously been accepted. The same goes for Buell Frazier and other people that were  standing in the TSBD stairs area.

Royell,

Yep, at least 25 seconds, or so.

Plenty of time for Gloria Calvery (and her all-in-white colleague, Carol Reed) to walk approximately 60 yards to the TSBD steps, and for Lovelady to get down to a lower step to greet her (if that's indeed Lovelady standing in front of black-blouse-and-black-headscarf-wearing Calvery down there).

Thanks for pointing that out!

--  MWT  ;)
« Last Edit: November 24, 2019, 05:30:04 AM by Thomas Graves »

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #579 on: November 24, 2019, 05:20:29 AM »
      Your questioning the positioning of Lovelady is answered by there being a Greater Elapsed Time between the images than has previously been accepted. The same goes for Buell Frazier and other people that were  standing in the TSBD stairs area.

How long after?
Accepted by whom?
In what textbook did you find all the accepted times, can I see it?
I asked you before to provide some sort of verified evidence to support your guesses, where is it?
Why do you keep making these definitive unsupported statements?

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #580 on: November 24, 2019, 05:26:51 AM »
John,

Thanks for the feedback.

Question:  Is Lovelady still up there in the Darnell frame, or could that be him on a much lower step, talking with the woman in black (to the immediate left of the woman dressed all-in-white)?

--  MWT  ;)

Edit: Come to think of it, I'm not sure I understand you. If there's only one frame from each in your GIF, why then do Prayer Person's arms go up and down so smoothly and continuously?

Answer: I can't see him?

Edit answer: it's morphing from each corresponding pixel position in each image, so we continuously see movement between all the relative pixels.

JohnM