Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley

[Royell Storing]

You went from claiming (or agreeing with):

   "Howard Donohue went through the Warren Report and found eleven witnesses
     that put the AR15 in Agent Hickeys hand at the time of the third shot. Of the
     eleven witnesses, seven are Secret Service agents."

to ....

    "So there are a lot of people seeing the AR15 in Hickey’s hand, some thinking he fired it."

Unless you think both claims amount to the same thing.

Those three we established only saw Hickey with the rifle AFTER the fatal shot. Lawson (Winston) based his thought that Hickey had fired his gun on a thought he had, not from actually witnessing it:

    "the first thing that flashed through my mind, this was the only weapon I had seen,
     was that he had fired because this was the only weapon I had seen up to that time."

Interesting that attention is not given to the part in the same affidavit where Holland pins the "first shot" to the head shot:

    "After the first shot the President slumped over and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up and
     tried to get over in the back seat to him."

Now that's perfectly consistent with when Hickey raised up the rifle, that is, AFTER the head shot. Holland or the transcriber got something mixed up when they associate the "first shot" with the head hsot.


That's nice. But you have to establish whether they actually saw Hickey with the rifle in his hands at the moment of the fatal shot.

       Lawson testified that, ".......I also noticed RIGHT AFTER the reports an agent STANDING UP with an automatic weapon in his hand....". He did Not say he saw an Agent rising or getting up inside the Queen Mary. In order for anyone to see Hickey with, "the rifle in his hands at the Moment of the fatal shot", that person would have to be looking Directly at the Queen Mary when the Kill Shot was fired. If you know of Any Eyewitness that did this please provide that information.     

[John Mytton]

So he has 6-9 seconds to retrieve the gun, stand up and fire. That’s doable.

So they're driving down Elm street and in full view of everyone and cameras, Hickey reaches down and grabs his Colt AR-15 then stands up, aims and shoots Kennedy in the head? You have got to be kidding? I'm still laughing that's seriously nuts!

It's not easy to hide a Colt AR-15.



Btw most CTs believe that shooting a man in a moving car was impossible, so is a man in a moving car shooting another man in a moving car impossible squared?

JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

But the type of ammunition used by Oswald will disintegrate when it strikes hard tissue (ie: the skull bone)

“used by Oswald”. LOL.

[Michael Carney]

If you were looking a Hickey when the fatal shot was fired then you would not see JFK’s brains flying out of his head. If you were watching JFK and see the pink flash you would not see Hickey holding the gun. If you were looking at the gun you would not see a muzzle blast because of the AR15’s flash suppressor.  It would be difficult for anyone to be at that correct angle looking at JFK and Hickey at the same time. If you were right beside the limos you would be looking at one or the other, you can’t see both at the same time unless you are a fair distance away. Look at the Zapruder film, it didn’t show both.
You doubt my theory I am representing here but you don’t come up with your own solutions. Tell me how you have a dozen witnesses saying a SS Agent was holding a gun, JFK gets shot in the head from the rear, and a dozen people smell gunpowder, not car fumes? Tell me how that happens. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s a duck.

[Michael Carney]

 A jacketed bullet is not designed to disintegrate upon impact. The purpose of the jacket is to keep it together and hopefully go though more than one soldier in combat. I have personally fired jacketed bullets at 2x6 piece of wood and it went straight through and went through another 2x6 a short distance beyond sideways, you could see the profile of the bullet in the second 2x6 and again straight through. So the jacketed bullet does not disintegrate, at best it will break up into sizable pieces and they would have found them during the autopsy. What they found were very small particles representative of an AR15 round, not a 6.5mm carcano round. You also saw in the “smoking gun” video that the secret service directed a “technician” to tape fragment’s of a jacketed bullet to the x-rays trying to make it look like JFK was shot with a jacketed bullet.
The frangible round that came out of the AR15 is designed to disintegrate and usually explodes after penetration. If a bullet were designed to disintegrate on impact than theoretically all you would get is a skin abrasion, there would be no penetration of the skull. 
There have been others that have used computer analysis to show that the single bullet theory is possible
Your link only showed a cover page, no ballistics information

[Michael Carney]

What do you think Hickey is going to say, of course he is going to deny holding the gun when the fatal shot was fired. 
The photo Willis 05 shows Hickey sitting and we can’t see if he is holding a gun or not. But this is 6 seconds before the head shot. Try this when you are sitting down in a chair, quickly reach down to the ground like you are grabbing something and then stand up quickly. I timed myself at 2 seconds. It takes a fraction of a second to squeeze off a round. All of that can easily be achieved in the amount of time between the second and the third shot.
Sorry, I am not buying the exhaust fumes. Not one witness said they smelled exhaust fumes, they said gunpowder. Where are the witnesses that smelled exhaust fumes?
The trajectory is not more consistent with the 6th floor of the TSBD which was something like 15 degrees whereas the head shot was more like 7 degrees. Consistent with it being fired from the car behind.
“Deductive logic ought to work with the evidence”. What evidence? You have not one witness saying they smelled exhaust fumes, they smelled gunpowder. You have an entry angle of 7 degrees, you have witnesses saying an agent was holding a rifle. I’m sorry you are not showing any “evidence” to the contrary.

[Michael Carney]

 I can’t make out anything in the Bronson video, it’s too blurry.
I know they didn’t have catalytic converters back then but not one witness said exhaust fumes, they all said gunpowder. It certainly could have been a mix of both gunpowder and exhaust fumes. But again, they said gunpowder.
“Wouldn't agent William McIntyre (above, right) see some of Hickey's motions in dropping to the floor and popping back up with a long rifle in his hands in the 2.3 sec before the Altgens photo or the 3.2 sec after?”
After the second shot he was looking at JFK, not Hickey. The time between the second shot and the third shot could easily be 6 secs, more than enough time for Hickey to reach down, grab the AR15, and standup.
One other thing about the angle, not only was the angle not steep enough for the 6th floor of the TSBD. It is also coming from the wrong horizontal angle coming from behind left of JFK.
The only shots fired from the TSBD were from the carcano rifle, where did the 5.56mm bullet come from? Coroner measured the diameter of the hole in that back of JFK’s at 6 mm, carcano bullet diameter is 6.5 mm.