Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley

[John Iacoletti]

“Oswald window” 

[Michael Carney]

I don’t understand what you, JO, mean by “Ok, we got through to you”

Witnesses to Hickey holding and possibly firing a “rifle”:
•   Dallas Mayor, Earl Cabel. see’s one Secret Service agent standup with a sub-machine gun.
•   Senator Yarbrough also saw a rifle.
•   Agent Winston rides in the front of JFK in the lead car. He noticed Agent Hickey standing up in the follow up car, “I first thought that    he had fired it”.
•   Sam Holland, a witness, is standing on top of the underpass as the motorcade is going under him. “After the first shot, the Secret Service agent raised up with a machine gun and dropped back down into the seat. WC Vol XIX, ex 5323, pg 480
•   Roy Kellerman testified there was an AR15 in the motorcade.
•   Hugh Betner saw one Secret Service agent pull out a gun, he was standing watching the motorcade. vol XXIV, ex 2003, pg 200
•   A police officer on the over pass as the motorcade passing under saw an agent swinging around the gun.
•   Margaret Chisolm WC vol XIX, ex 5323, pg 472 saw agents stand up and sit back down.
•   Jean Hill – Saw JFK grab his chest and fall forward and she thinks she saw men in plain clothes shooting back. WC Vol XXIV, Ex 2003, pg 212
•   Ralph Yarborough saw a SS Agent pull out a rifle. WC Vol VII, pg 439

[Michael Carney]

“What's wrong with two heavy stretch-limos causing exhaust fumes that could be confused with the smell of gun smoke? No where else in the motorcade do they (and the motorcycle escorts) have such sudden all-out acceleration as they do after the last shot.”

JO, the problem with that is no one mentions “exhaust” fumes, they say “gunpowder”. Basic gunpowder is composed of charcoal, potassium nitrate, and sulfur which has a particular smell that to me smells nothing like exhaust fumes. So I am not buying car exhaust.

Witnesses to smelling gunpowder at street level:
•   Ralph Yarborough was in the car two cars behind the Presidents car and said he smelled gunpowder. He is a war veteran with more than 50 years experience with fire arms. WC Vol VII, pg 439
•   Earl Brown, Dallas Police Patrolman – “Heard shot’s and then smelled gunpowder” WC Vol VI, pg 233
•   Elizabeth Cabell, wife of Dallas mayor, said “acutely aware of the smell of gunpowder”  WC Vol VII, pg 486
•   Billy J. Martin, patrolman - “You could smell the gunpowder… you knew he wasn’t far away. When you’re that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why you—you’ve got to be pretty close to them… you could smell the gunpowder… right there in the street.”
•   Congressman Ray Roberts, seated next to her, had mentioned it also. Same source as Martin
•   Tom C. Dillard, two cars behind the Cabell car, he “. . . very definitely smelled gunpowder when the cars moved up to the corner [of Elm and Houston Streets] Same source as Martin
•   Virgie Rackley stood in front of the depository building close to the street. “She recalled that after the second shot, she smelled gun smoke…” same source as Martin
•   One newspaper summed it up: “. . . seconds later the cavalcade was gone. The area still reeked with the smell of gunpowder.” Same source as Martin

[Michael Carney]

JO, yes, the Dal Tex building because of the angles are similar. It came to mind because there have been witnesses that claimed they saw a shooter or heard a shot(s) come from that direction. I have also read that they, Marcello’s group, put a shooter in there. But again, no one would have smelled gunpowder with the wind direction.

[Michael Carney]

A lower trajectory slope would exit more up towards the apex, and thus cause a smaller gaping exit wound.

 JO, I don’t know much about the physics of what a frangible round does except explode once it hits something and from everything I have seen it usually gets inside what it hit and explodes. I think the exit explosions result would depend on things like thickness of the skull in the vicinity of the explosion.   I leave those kinds of things up to the experts like Howard Donahue and Colin McLaren.

[Michael Carney]

 8-10 people say they saw a rifle/machine gun/AR15 in an agents hand, the only agent with a gun out was Hickey. 10-12 people smelled gunpowder which had  to have come from the front of the motorcade.  The fatal bullet came from Hickey’s direction. Deductive logic tells you Hickey fired the fatal shot.

[Michael Carney]

Hickey himself said he retrieved the Colt AR-15 but only AFTER the head shot. The Bronson film shows no rifle deployed in the follow-up car. I believe Hickey is the elevated figure near the back seat, and he has yet to lower himself to get the rifle.
Z213 is about the time the second shot is fired, the magic bullet.  So he has 6-9 seconds to retrieve the gun, stand up and fire. That’s doable.
 They would smell just as well vehicle exhaust from the full-on acceleration of two heavy stretch-limos.
Two different smelling compounds in my eyes. I know gunpowder when I smell it, I used to make the stuff and light it up.
The trajectory is much more consistent with a bullet from the Oswald window.
Not according to Howard Donahue who was a ballistics expert.
Deductive logic ought to work with the evidence.
It does.
Have you seen the video JFK – The Smoking Gun?