Assassination Witnesses Never Called to give Testimony at the Warren Commission

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Sitzman view

Z469 - No "smoke" one sec after Wiegman clear frame

"I have no qualms" simply means she would state it if it were true and she's willing to consider the possibility. Hardly goes with her no longer maintaining she heard three shots from her left (area of Depository) and that she saw no gunman or gunsmoke from the fence.

I can't find the source of the "qualms" quote. If it's from her 1993 Sixth Floor Museum interview, it is prefaced with:

     Q: "What is your analysis of the possibility of a gunman, a second gunman,
           being behind that picket fence."

     A: "After looking at the film and doing a lot of reading ... etc., I would say
          there's a very good possibility there was somebody back there, but they
          had a silencer. I don't know who was shooting where, but there was
          nobody standing behind that close with a rifle except a silencer on it."

I guess looking at the film means the 1991 "JFK" movie. And she's asked about a "possibility". Not what she actually remembered firsthand, which goes back a long way.

    " I talked to Marilyn Sitzman, 202 S. Lancaster who said her boss, Abraham Zaprutes, 
      RI 8 6071, had movies of the shooting. She said the shots came from that way and
      she pointed at the old Sexton Building."
          -- Report of Deputy Sheriff John Wiseman, Nov. 23, 1963
             (the Depository was formerly known as the Sexton Building)

I see. This is a game to you.

The Zapruder film certainly wasn't altered. And I fail to see how the Soviet Union had any influence on Zapruder.

Couldn't quite keep in those Nazi dog whistles.

Now you're trying to convince me what she said is not important.
How would you know? Then you throw out a picture of her view and act as though she took that very picture.
I thought you would use a picture where they zoom in as you did with Brennan's exaggerated view of the 6th-floor window? What happened to consistency?
You mean to tell me they were making 1980's Chevrolet trucks in the early
1960's. Naturally, I wouldn't think to see smoke 20some years later. 

Dogs whistle? I would like to see that, but for now, I don't believe you.

One sec after? haha, Thank God for the bounty of info between the sprocket holes. 

Sitzman's inconsistent and you're inconsistent. Those are the facts.
BTW I want to see this dog of yours whistle. I love pet tricks, they made for great entertainment on late night tv, I am sure you would agree

[Jerry Freeman]

You think Smith literally examined the ID?

The MKT railroad detectives really did have badges that prominently featured "Special Agent," .. instead of a fake SS agent, the GK conspirator could have been a fake MKT detective!

I actually have two "Special Agent" badges....available in any pawn shop.
 Anyway, what about the woman who was screaming?

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.

Maybe she just heard the Bar-B-Q firewood popping huh?

[Jerry Freeman]

The screaming woman? Didn't happen. Didn't exist. The witnesses Bowers, Holland, Dodd, Simmons, Oliver didn't really see anything. OK.

I guess we're not going to hear from Hudson and Sitzman, who were feet from the fence corner, who reported no rifle being fired so near them, saw no smoke and detected no smell of a gun having been fired.

I guess you want a 8X10 glossy of a rifleman behind the fence
   

Sitzman: And as far as the sound of the shots go, the first one, as I said, sounded like a firecracker, and the second one that I heard sounded the same, because I recall no difference whatsoever in them. And I'm sure that if the second shot would have come from a different place -- and the supposed theory is they would have been much closer to me and on the right side -- I would have heard the sounding of the gun much closer, and I probably had a ringing in my head because the fence was quite close to where we were standing, very close. Ah, it just sounded the same way.
 Sitzman: There was a ... there was thousands of people coming out of that building after I got back there. There was reporters, there were just people from the street I remember coming up and asking questions.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sitzman.htm
"Supposed theory"... "Thousands"

[Jerry Freeman]

Nonsense. There was several people who reported shots from other than the Depository. 

Nonsense? Then accept their claims as at a probability or at least a possibility.

[Bill Chapman]

Do you now think the "smoke" in the Wiegman film is from a Bar-B-Q?

C'mon Jerry, we know there were shooters downrange... they were disguised as trees, bushes and leaves. Can't you see that? Open your eyes, dude.

Additionally, trick-shot artist James Files confessed to shooting Kennedy. And let me double-down on that by reminding you that Oswald (AKA as a little prick) has long since confessed his innocence.

Get a clue, man.

[Jerry Freeman]

you kooks...  your bias. 

Works both ways pal.

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Nonsense. There was several people who reported shots from other than the Depository. The Warren Commission called Officer Joe Smith to testify.



     Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a picture, an aerial view of the area that is marked Commission
               Exhibit No. 354.
     ...
     Mr. LIEBELER. I will put the No. 4 in a circle on the spot of approximately where you
               were standing at the time the motorcade went by. Is that approximately correct?
     Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
     Mr. LIEBELER. You were facing east up Elm Street away from the triple underpass?
     Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
     Mr. LIEBELER. So that your back was in fact turned to the School Book Depository Building?
     Mr. SMITH. Yes.
     ...
     Mr. SMITH. I started up toward this Book Depository after I heard the shots, and I didn't
               know where the shots came from. I had no idea, because it was such a ricochet.
     Mr. LIEBELER. An echo effect?
     Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics.
               She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately
               proceeded up here.
     Mr. LIEBELER. You proceeded up to an area immediately behind the concrete structure
               here that is described by Elm Street and the street that runs immediately in front
               of the Texas School Book Depository, is that right?
     Mr. SMITH. I was checking all the bushes and I checked all the cars in the parking lot.
     ...
     Mr. LIEBELER. Down around the---let's put a No. 5 there at the corner here behind this
               concrete structure where the bushes were down toward the railroad tracks from
               the Texas School Book Depository Building on the little street that runs down in
               front of the Texas School Book Depository Building.
     Mr. SMITH. Yes.
     Mr. LIEBELER. Now you say that you had the idea that the shots may have come from
               up in that area?
     Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; that is just what, well, like I say, the sound of it. That was the most
               helpless and hopeless feeling I ever had.
     Mr. LIEBELER. Well, you mentioned before there was an echo from the shots in the area.
     Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
     ...
     Mr. LIEBELER. After you heard the shots, you proceeded down along the bushes here
               between the street that runs in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building
               and Elm Street to approximately point 5, and then when you went down looking
               to the cars, you then had occasion to look up at the railroad tracks running over the
               triple underpass?
     Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.

They probably saw what Bowers said he saw. Some peculiar visual movement behind the retaining wall. Holland originally said" "But the puff of smoke I saw definitely came from behind the arcade through the trees." and testified:

     Mr. HOLLAND - There was a shot, a report, I don't know whether it was a shot. I can't say
     that. And a puff of smoke came out about 6 or 8 feet above the ground right out from under
     those trees. And at just about this location from where I was standing you could see that 
     puff of smoke, like someone had thrown a firecracker, or something out."
     ...
     Mr. STERN - When you ran behind the picket fence after the shots were fired, did you
               come near the area where the station wagon was parked?
     Mr. HOLLAND - Went up to behind the arcade as far as you could go.
     Mr. STERN - So, you would have passed where this station wagon was?
     Mr. HOLLAND - Yes.

Holland thought it could have been a firecracker thrown out from the pergola, the first place he ran to after the shots.

Sitzman, who was in a position to see as she was a few feet from the fence corner, said the only unusual thing she saw happen in the area was a black couple running from there. She saw no gunman or gunsmoke, heard no gunshot, smelled no gunpowder.

Emmett J. Hudson, standing on the steps a few feet from the fence corner, was supposedly a few feet away and downwind from where the "smoke" was and he didn't observe or smell it. Nor heard it; he thought all the shots came from behind (to his left) the motorcade.

     Mr. LIEBELER - But you are quite sure in your own mind that the shots came from the
               rear of the President's car and above it; is that correct?
     Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
     Mr. LIEBELER - Did you have any idea that they might have come from the Texas School
               Book Depository Building?
     Mr. HUDSON - Well, it sounded like it was high, you know, from above and kind of behind
               like - in other words, to the left.
     Mr. LIEBELER - And that would have fit in with the Texas School Book Depository, wouldn't it?
     Mr. HUDSON - Yes.

Well, that's lower than the standard of proof you kooks expect for a SN gunman. And then you would say it was a fake photo.

There were shells found at the SN and a rifle on the same floor; some witnesses saw a "pipe", rifle and a man with a rifle at the SN window. We have nothing like that for the grassy knoll "gunman". Even you think the Weigman film "smoke" is from a BBQ.

So witness veracity depends on how they accommodate your bias.

Like you are free of bias, and you scream and whine