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[Walt Cakebread]

Cakebread Original Post: "Referring to the pic on the right....How wide is the groove that is clearly visible on the copper jacket....(hint....There is a scale right there...."

Seems you have lost your train of thought. Must be because of how lame this whole thread is to begin with and what a lame explanation you just provided instead of explain your numbers and the proper names of what is being discussed.

If it's a lame thread....Why the hell did you feel compelled to show the world how stupid you are?   I clearly asked for the width of the groove in the copper jacket.

Even a elementary school kid can understand what's being asked.....

[Jack Nessan]

If it's a lame thread....Why the hell did you feel compelled to show the world how stupid you are?   I clearly asked for the width of the groove in the copper jacket.

Even a elementary school kid can understand what's being asked.....

It is an incredibly lame thread. The premise is somehow you have managed to convince yourself you are smarter than you really are. You asked "Anybody" for the width but apparently you don't like the correct answer. The "land impression" not groove on the bullet fragment measures 1.8mm which is what Frazier stated it would measure. Not your 1.5mm or the width of the lands are really 2mm.

How about contain your lack of knowledge to this thread. This nonsense came from the Oswald Rifle Capability thread.

(Cakebread)"Take a look at the fragments....  The width of the groove on the copper jacket measures 1.5mm across.....The lands in the rifling of a Mannlicher Carcano barrel measure 2 mm across...  This bullet was NOT fired from a Mannlicher Carcano."

Unbelievably in your mind this pathetic nonsense is not wrong,  it is all part of the Walt Cakebread genius.

[Walt Cakebread]

It is an incredibly lame thread. The premise is somehow you have managed to convince yourself you are smarter than you really are. You asked "Anybody" for the width but apparently you don't like the correct answer. The "land impression" not groove on the bullet fragment measures 1.8mm which is what Frazier stated it would measure. Not your 1.5mm or the width of the lands are really 2mm.

How about contain your lack of knowledge to this thread. This nonsense came from the Oswald Rifle Capability thread.

(Cakebread)"Take a look at the fragments....  The width of the groove on the copper jacket measures 1.5mm across.....The lands in the rifling of a Mannlicher Carcano barrel measure 2 mm across...  This bullet was NOT fired from a Mannlicher Carcano."

Unbelievably in your mind this pathetic nonsense is not wrong,  it is all part of the Walt Cakebread genius.

Did I ask anybody to refer to any testimony ...Or did I ask the reader to measure the width of the groove.....  Only Jack Nessan was too stupid to know what was being asked....

[Jack Nessan]

Did I ask anybody to refer to any testimony ...Or did I ask the reader to measure the width of the groove.....  Only Jack Nessan was too stupid to know what was being asked....

My mistake, I assumed a thinking person would automatically conclude a carcano bullet is going to fired down a carcano barrel with carcano rifling. Guess what, that is what Frazier, Cunningham, and Killion independantly concluded and verified. Once again we have a group of people who do not know what a Walt Cakebread is and how seriously mentally messed up he is.

Do you need to be told I measured it and came up with approximately what Frazier did or can I assume you can think beyond your nose? Remembering  back at your past posts and realizing you don't seem to ever get it, your right I should have told you it is near 1.8mm, like Frazier.

[Walt Cakebread]

My mistake, I assumed a thinking person would automatically conclude a carcano bullet is going to fired down a carcano barrel with carcano rifling. Guess what, that is what Frazier, Cunningham, and Killion independantly concluded and verified. Once again we have a group of people who do not know what a Walt Cakebread is and how seriously mentally messed up he is.

Do you need to be told I measured it and came up with approximately what Frazier did or can I assume you can think beyond your nose? Remembering  back at your past posts and realizing you don't seem to ever get it, your right I should have told you it is near 1.8mm, like Frazier.

You're a liar and a Stupid one at that....  You admit you made a mistake, when you said ......
"No, it is very specific.  The nomenclature does not change because you don't know what you are talking about. The "land impression" on the bullet fragment measures approximately(.07 inches) 1.8 mm.  The "groove impression" measures approximately(.13 inches) 3.3mm. Because you can't read a ruler doesn't mean Frazier could not. If you can read the "land impression" is 1.5mm it is only because you want to. Frazier made a Sulphur cast of CE 139's barrel he knew exactly the dimensions of the rifle's lands and grooves."

The rifling grooves do not leave a deep impression on the projectile makes light contact with the barrel when the projectile is fired.....because the diameter of the projectile is the same size as the barrel......ie; The rifle is designed to fire a projectile that is 6.5mm in diameter, and that's the inside diameter of the barrel. 

You clearly didn't know that the LANDS in the barrel create the GROOVE on the jacket of the projectile ......  And you have demonstrated that you're too stupid to use the scale in the photo.

[Tim Nickerson]

I believe the groove width on the copper jacket measures 1.5 mm across......

I bet you do.

BALLISTICS DISCOVERY BY CALIFORNIA RESEARCHER INDICATES "STRETCHER BULLET THEORY" MAY BE A LIE (BECAUSE WC EXHIBIT 399 COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FIRED FROM THE CE 139 MANNLICHER-CARCANO), AND THAT APPARENTLY A DIFFERENT "EVIDENCE" BULLET WAS SUBSTITUTED BY THE GOVERNMENT

Back to Walt's study of the Warren volumes:

Walt made a mental note of the four-groove/four-land barrel configuration of the alleged murder weapon. Subsequent research by Walt showed that the four-groove barrel is standard for all Mannlicher-Carcano rifles.

Imagine Walt's surprise, then, when in Volume xvii came upon a large , clear FBI photograph of CE 399, and to his practised hunter's eye he saw that pictured on page 49 WAS NOT A FOUR-GROOVE BULLET, BUT ONE WITH MORE THAN FOUR GROOVES, POSSIBLY FIVE OR SIX!....

....In the HSCA report, Volume vii, figure 6A, he came upon the House Committee's photograph of CE 399, apparently taken by the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington, D.C.

To his astonishment, in this photo the Magic Bullet had transformed itself from the six-(or five)-groove bullet of the Warren Commission into A FOUR-GROOVE BULLETTHAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CE139 RIFLE AND THE TESTIMONY OF FRAZIER.

To Walt, this discovery was just as chilling as his first. It meant that the bullet originally pictured by the Warren Commission had disappeared, and that sometime between 1963 and 1978 THE GOVERNMENT CREATED A NEW BULLET TRACEABLE TO CE139, AND SUBSTITUTED IT AS THE "OFFICIAL" CE399!

[Jack Nessan]

You're a liar and a Stupid one at that....  You admit you made a mistake, when you said ......
"No, it is very specific.  The nomenclature does not change because you don't know what you are talking about. The "land impression" on the bullet fragment measures approximately(.07 inches) 1.8 mm.  The "groove impression" measures approximately(.13 inches) 3.3mm. Because you can't read a ruler doesn't mean Frazier could not. If you can read the "land impression" is 1.5mm it is only because you want to. Frazier made a Sulphur cast of CE 139's barrel he knew exactly the dimensions of the rifle's lands and grooves."

The rifling grooves do not leave a deep impression on the projectile makes light contact with the barrel when the projectile is fired.....because the diameter of the projectile is the same size as the barrel......ie; The rifle is designed to fire a projectile that is 6.5mm in diameter, and that's the inside diameter of the barrel. 

You clearly didn't know that the LANDS in the barrel create the GROOVE on the jacket of the projectile ......  And you have demonstrated that you're too stupid to use the scale in the photo.

Let us see. On one hand is a certified firearms experts who testifies in court and he refers to it as a "groove impression", on the other hand a complete flake who knows absolutely nothing about a firearm who is randomly talking about grooves and oblivious to the fact the lands are one width and the grooves another.

Maybe look into what impression means. Frazier obviously felt it was important to properly refer to it. I think I will refer to it as a "groove impression" because that is what the expert refers to it as.

Mr. FRAZIER .....The width of the land impression is 7/100ths of an inch, that is 0.07 inch--whereas the width of the groove impression is 0.13 inch, or 13/100ths of an inch.