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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #378 on: February 05, 2020, 02:56:25 PM »
When did Silvia Duran deny the person was Oswald? Not once to my knowledge. Certainly not in her testimony. She testified that when she saw Oswald's picture in the newspaper the next day after the assassination, she told her husband this:

CORNWELL - Okay. Did you have any other discussion that you can recall with him [i.e., her husband] about it? based on that news report? About your contact?
TIRADO/DURAN - With my husband?
CORNWELL - Yes.
TIRADO/DURAN - I only told him, I think this man came to the Embassy.
CORNWELL - Then, the next morning you saw a newspaper.
TIRADO/DURAN - Yes.
CORNWELL - Were you sure at that time that that was the man?
TIRADO/DURAN - Yes.

Later:
TIRADO/DURAN - I show the paper to Horatio [her husband] and told him this is the man that went to the Embassy and I went to the Consulate and I look in the Archivos and I saw the application, I saw that it was the man and I went to the Embassy and I talked to the Ambassador and I told him that this...

Yes, her description of Oswald is off - she believed he was older, for example. But she has never, to my knowledge, denied that the person was Oswald. If someone has evidence she has, please provide it.

And Alfredo Mirabal, who was also in the consulate at the time, testified that the man was Oswald.

Duran's full testimony is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscadurn.htm

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #379 on: February 05, 2020, 03:03:55 PM »
Anyway, he cashed a $30 unemployment check and left for Mexico City, where he applied for a visa at the Cuban Consulate. But how did he plan to get there with just the $30?

He could take a freakin' bus for a few bucks
In 2020 dollars, $30/1963 is $257
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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #380 on: February 05, 2020, 03:14:15 PM »
He could take a freakin'n bus for a few bucks
In 2020 dollars, $30 is $257
Marina testified that he told he he had saved some money from his previous checks (it seems that CIA paycheck he was earning never showed up).

The hotel he stayed at - Hotel del Comercio - reportedly cost $1.28 a day. Sounds like just a great place to stay. Employees at the hotel - Corrected/not true. But a waiter at the nearby restaurant where he ate meals (they cost 40 to 48 cents) said the man was Oswald. And I guess the exchange rate for American dollars was very good.
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #381 on: February 05, 2020, 03:20:46 PM »
Yes, that's what I understand it too. When he arrived in Mexico City he went directly to the Cuban consulate in search of a transit visa.
He goes over to the Russian Embassy. He was already at the American. This was the Mexican--he wanted to go to Cuba.
Then he went to the Russian Embassy and he said, because he said then he wanted to go to Russia by way of Cuba, still trying to get to Cuba and try that angle and they refused and said, "Come back in 30 days," or something like that. And, he went out of there angry and disgusted.
And if you believe Harry Holmes, the Dallas postal inspector who questioned Oswald on Sunday, Oswald admitted to him that he did visit Mexico City. I think Holmes' testimony here is very, very dubious.
By his own admission...Harry Holmes was perched up over in the Terminal Annex Bldg watching the assassination with his binoculars. Weird huh?
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Tuesday, 17 December 2019 05:17
Oswald's Last Letter: The Scorching Hot Potato

Written by Paul Bleau
Paul Bleau reveals the scorching hot potato that is Oswald's last letter to the Soviet Embassy and how the Warren Commission and HSCA attempted to sweep it under the rug.
In JFK: the Cuba Files, a thorough analysis of five bizarre letters, that were written before the assassination in order to position Oswald as a Castro asset, is presented. It is difficult to sidestep them the way the FBI did. The FBI argued that they were all typed from the same typewriter, yet supposedly sent by different people. Which indicated to them that it was a hoax, perhaps perpetrated by Cubans wanting to encourage a U.S. invasion.
 It incriminates Oswald in the following passage: “I am informing you that the matter you talked to me about the last time that I was in Mexico would be a perfect plan and would weaken the politics of that braggart Kennedy, although much discretion is needed because you know that there are counter-revolutionaries over there who are working for the CIA.”
Cuba is linked to the assassination in all of the letters. In two of them, an alleged Cuban agent is clearly implicated in having planned the crime. However, the content of the letters, written before the assassination, suggested that the authors were either “a person linked to Oswald or involved in the conspiracy to execute the crime.”
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-s-last-letter-the-scorching-hot-potato

Offline Charles Collins

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #382 on: February 05, 2020, 03:51:59 PM »
Marina testified that he told he he had saved some money from his previous checks (it seems that CIA paycheck he was earning never showed up).

The hotel he stayed at - Hotel del Comercio - reportedly cost $1.28 a day. Sounds like just a great place to stay. Employees at the hotel and the nearby restaurant where he ate meals (they cost 40 to 48 cents) also said the man was Oswald. And I guess the exchange rate for American dollars was very good.

The bus ticket from Nuevo Laredo at the Texas-Mexico border to Mexico City cost LHO 71.40 pesos ($5.71). The WC concluded that LHO began the month of September with $183.21 cash in hand. He skipped paying his rent and utilities bills that month.

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #383 on: February 05, 2020, 03:59:58 PM »
The bus ticket from Nuevo Laredo at the Texas-Mexico border to Mexico City cost LHO 71.40 pesos ($5.71). The WC concluded that LHO began the month of September with $183.21 cash in hand. He skipped paying his rent and utilities bills that month.
And Ruth Paine testified that he never gave her any money for her help. No gas money, food nothing.

The claim that Oswald was some sort of FBI informant or CIA asset is simply not believable for me. Did they not pay him? Did the CIA not get him a job? If so, where did the money go? He never had a house, a car, a phone - anything. He ate very little, they had to rely on charity. He lived in terrible poverty once he came back to the US.

Sorry, this is not someone working for the CIA. It's simply not believable unless one thinks that this impoverished life was part of his cover. Which, of course, is the claim.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #384 on: February 05, 2020, 04:12:01 PM »
And Ruth Paine testified that he never gave her any money for her help. No gas money, food nothing.

The claim that Oswald was some sort of FBI informant or CIA asset is simply not believable for me. Did they not pay him? Did the CIA not get him a job? If so, where did the money go? He never had a house, a car, a phone - anything. He ate very little, they had to rely on charity. He lived in terrible poverty once he came back to the US.

Sorry, this is not someone working for the CIA. It's simply not believable unless one thinks that this impoverished life was part of his cover. Which, of course, is the claim.

It's simply not believable unless one thinks that this impoverished life was part of his cover.

If Lee was being watched by the communists which is very probable....   What would they have concluded if he started living an extravagant life style  on his return from the USSR?  His public image was that of an outcast in the U.S.    So if he had suddenly started living "high on the hog" the spies would have known that he was not what he pretended to be when he "defected" to Russia.