Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

[Tom Scully]

I agree. The question that I was originally responding to was (I think) regarding when he applied for a new passport to replace the one he had in Russia (so he could travel to Mexico City). Someone, suggested that he checked a box on the application that indicated he turned in his old passport. And therefore wouldn’t have had it with him on the bus to Mexico City. It appears to me that he would have received it back with his new passport. And therefore could have had it with him to show others.

No US passport was required of a US citizen traveling to Mexico or Canada, and back, until 2007.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/business/12memo.html

By Joe Sharkey
June 12, 2007

PASSPORT PANDEMONIUM The confusion and delays in passport processing are a warning to plan far ahead to renew or obtain a passport, travel industry trade groups say. Since Jan 23, United States citizens as well as those from Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean have been required for the first time to present a valid passport when entering the United States by air. A rush for passports has created long processing delays, partly because of confusion among some travelers, who mistakenly thought they needed a passport to return to the United States from Canada or Mexico by car. That requirement will not take effect until next year. Maura Harty, the assistant secretary of state for consular affairs, said that the demand for passports was “over and beyond even the enormous demand we had expected,” leading to the delays. In response, the State Department adjusted the rules so that through Sept. 30, those who can show proof they have applied for a passport, even if they have not received it, are exempt. The required documents are a government-issued photo ID and a printout showing that they have applied for a passport, which can be downloaded from travel.state.gov.passport.

[Charles Collins]

No US passport was required of a US citizen traveling to Mexico or Canada, and back, until 2007.

Thanks, I have been to both countries several times over the years and didn’t need a passport until recently. However, I think  LHO reportedly had a tourist visa that limited his stay in Mexico to several days. I am guessing that either he thought he needed it to travel freely to Mexico City, or he wanted the passport to be able to go to Cuba.

[John Tonkovich]

I agree. The question that I was originally responding to was (I think) regarding when he applied for a new passport to replace the one he had in Russia (so he could travel to Mexico City). Someone, suggested that he checked a box on the application that indicated he turned in his old passport. And therefore wouldn’t have had it with him on the bus to Mexico City. It appears to me that he would have received it back with his new passport. And therefore could have had it with him to show others.

It would have been stamped void, or cancelled, if he received it afterwards.  And, he had a new, valid passport.

[Charles Collins]

It would have been stamped void, or cancelled, if he received it afterwards.  And, he had a new, valid passport.

What are the semi-circular cut outs along the bottom edge of the passport book? Could that possibly be how one was indicated to be canceled? The old passport book that I received back after renewal doesn’t have any indication of cancellation other than the expiration date.

[Thomas Graves]

This Bagley fellow, agitated, crafty crafter of opinions?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=199814&relPageId=5

Scully,

Are you suggesting that Tennent H. Bagley, whom John Newman points out was on the fast track to becoming DCI until false-defector Nosenko started rocking CIA's boat two months after the assassination, was "agitated" when he conveyed the above information to Sam Papich right after the assassination?

That he was a "crafty crafter of (CIA/FBI) opinions"?

You sound as though brainwashed-by-Mangold-and-Wise, Kisevalter-loving Jefferson Morley has gotten to you.

Aren't you describing your "class warfare"-oriented, propagandistic self, here, Scully (but your audience, of course, is comprised of people who are already predisposed to hating the evil, evil, evil CIA, the evil, evil, evil FBI, the evil, evil, evil NSA, etc)?

Do you know anything about the former East German intelligence operative mentioned in the memo, Gurnter Schulz, aka FBI's "Tumbleweed"?

You do realize, don't you, that the NKVD got several of their agents into the OSS and the CIA (and the FBI, evidently) by letting  them be captured by the Germans during WW II, and (unsuccessfully) "turned" by, or otherwise assimilated into, the easily-duped Gehlen Organization? 

Alexandr "Sasha" Karpatzky (aka Igor Orlov) comes to mind.  Factoid: I think Bagley's thwarting / counterproductive "helper" in interviewing Nosenko in Geneva in June 1962 and in January 1964, George Kisevalter, was Golitsy's mole,"Sasha," instead.

Rhetorical question:  What led the FBI and CIA to tentatively conclude that Kostikov was "Department 13," as is mentioned in the memo?

Answer:  The KGB triple-agent who duped Hoover for fifteen years, Aleksey Kulak (aka "Fedora" -- look him up) told the FBI that "Tumbleweed's KGB handler in the U.S., Igor Brykin at the U.N., was ... gasp ... "Department 13, and "Tumbleweed," himself, told the FBI that he and Brykin had met with Kostikov in Mexico City to get instructions for a sabotage mission in the U.S.!

In other words, Hoover was fooled (yet again) by a KGB triple-agent in the FBI ("Fedora"), and Hoover, in turn, misled CIA into believing that a (poor Russian-speaking / poor English-speaking) "Oswald" impostor had been told on October 1, 1963 (over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line) that he ("Oswald") had met with made-radioactive-by-now "Kostikov" on Saturday, September 28.

D'oh

--  MWT   



 

[John Tonkovich]

What are the semi-circular cut outs along the bottom edge of the passport book? Could that possibly be how one was indicated to be canceled? The old passport book that I received back after renewal doesn’t have any indication of cancellation other than the expiration date.

WC Vol. 18 CE946

[Jerry Freeman]

What are the semi-circular cut outs along the bottom edge of the passport book? Could that possibly be how one was indicated to be canceled? The old passport book that I received back after renewal doesn’t have any indication of cancellation other than the expiration date.

Probably what you are seeing there is a hand holding down the pages being copied.
So we don't go too far off topic... I will start a new 'Oswald's passport' thread.