Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2019, 07:11:05 AM »
A questions for you Tim. When Williams joined the other two do you think he mentioned where he had come from before or after the shots? Perhaps you think he said nothing.....well?

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2019, 07:13:46 AM »
I think the point is that they left about that time....well after 12.20. Their journey takes them passed the lunchroom and about 2-3 minutes later they are in position on the fifth floor. Maybe it?s 12.25......don?t think it really matters. Williams then has to depart the SN and go down, joining them a minute or so later. This corroborates Rowland who claimed to have seen a coloured man in the SN prior to 12.25. It could not have been Norman and Jarman on the floor below. It also is consistent with Brennan who arrived in position about this time and saw two men on the fifth floor and a human form leaving the SN and returning. Both Brennan and Rowland reference the seizure event.

The sixth floor was crucial in the investigation from only minutes after the assassination. That is why Williams was at DPD when he saw Oswald brought in. Fritz had ordered Senkel to gather everyone who had been on the 6th floor that day to be brought in for questioning. On that day Williams says nothing about having been there. If his story is true he was there only a few minutes before the shots. Yet he mentions nothing of this. Dougherty does in his statement but the police do not realise the implications of his actions. Williams lunch was left in the SN and initially thought to be the assassin?s according to numerous media reports in the coming days.

Speaking of improved memories, who helped Rowland improve his?

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2019, 07:19:25 AM »
It also is consistent with Brennan who arrived in position about this time and saw two men on the fifth floor and a human form leaving the SN and returning. Both Brennan and Rowland reference the seizure event.

So, Norman and Jarman were already on the fifth floor when Brennan arrived at his position at 12:22?

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2019, 07:22:09 AM »
A questions for you Tim. When Williams joined the other two do you think he mentioned where he had come from before or after the shots? Perhaps you think he said nothing.....well?

Why would he bother mentioning where he had come from?

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #88 on: January 19, 2019, 07:22:42 AM »
Speaking of improved memories, who helped Rowland improve his?

Perhaps he had a post traumatic vision of Williams eating his lunch and then departing after 12.25.....hang on....he forgot to mention the chicken lunch found in the SN......he must have made it up. The assembled information shows his to be merely confirmatory of Williams movments.

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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #89 on: January 19, 2019, 07:23:55 AM »
So, Norman and Jarman were already on the fifth floor when Brennan arrived at his position at 12:22?

Any documented timestamps to back up your question? Brennan gives the clue in his WC testimony when he took up position. The ambulance and fit are your best friend to determine when. I believe he took up position after after 12.25. But this has all been posted before.
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Re: Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting
« Reply #90 on: January 19, 2019, 07:34:11 AM »
Any documented timestamps to back up your question? Brennan gives the clue in his WC testimony when he took up position. The ambulance and fit are your best friend to determine when. I believe he took up position after after 12.25. But this has all been posted before.


I got it wrong. Brennan arrived at the corner of Houston and Elm at about 12:22 but never took his position on the retainer wall until a few minutes later.