"Out with Bill Shelley in front"

[Bill Chapman]

Yes, but it's expanded upon by Bookhout's report of the interrogation:

"Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly, and thereafter went home. He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of Bill Shelly, he did not believe that there was going to be anymore work that day due to the confusion in the building.. He stated after arriving at his residence, then he went to a movie where he was subsequently apprehended by the Dallas Police Department."

From this account, "out with Bill Shelley in front" occurred after the encounter with the officer in the lunch room.

Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, the day the President was shot, when is the last time you saw Oswald?
Mr. SHELLEY. It was 10 or 15 minutes before 12.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. SHELLEY. On the first floor over near the telephone.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him again?
Mr. SHELLEY. At the police station when they brought him in.

[Walt Cakebread]

Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, the day the President was shot, when is the last time you saw Oswald?
Mr. SHELLEY. It was 10 or 15 minutes before 12.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. SHELLEY. On the first floor over near the telephone.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him again?
Mr. SHELLEY. At the police station when they brought him in.

Yes, that's what LBJ's Special Blue Ribbon Cover up committee wanted Shelley to say.....  However....That's NOT what Lee told the interrogators.   Lee said he talked to Shelley "Out Front".....  Which would seem to indicate they were outside in front of the TSBD, but not necessarily....."Out front could simply mean near the front face of the building......Since the usual place for the order filling employees was at the back of the building Lee might have been referring to the front of the building.... inside... near Truly's Office..... 

[John Iacoletti]

Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, the day the President was shot, when is the last time you saw Oswald?
Mr. SHELLEY. It was 10 or 15 minutes before 12.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. SHELLEY. On the first floor over near the telephone.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him again?
Mr. SHELLEY. At the police station when they brought him in.

Bookhout's account doesn't say anything about Shelley seeing Oswald during this time.  Read it again.

"He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly, and thereafter went home. He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of Bill Shelly, he did not believe that there was going to be anymore work that day due to the confusion in the building."

Actor Bill Paxton (as a child) stood around the outside of the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth with JFK that morning and heard remarks that JFK made.  It doesn't therefore follow that JFK would report seeing Bill Paxton.

[Bill Chapman]

Bookhout's account doesn't say anything about Shelley seeing Oswald during this time.  Read it again.

"He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly, and thereafter went home. He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of Bill Shelly, he did not believe that there was going to be anymore work that day due to the confusion in the building."

Actor Bill Paxton (as a child) stood around the outside of the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth with JFK that morning and heard remarks that JFK made.  It doesn't therefore follow that JFK would report seeing Bill Paxton.

So he stood around with Shelley. Agreed? And he overheard Shelley talking about maybe ceasing work? Good so far?

Given that Oswald just had to ask Shelley to confirm that work would stop for the day, a good investigator might consider the possibility that the (eventual) prime suspect wasn't about to risk being told to stay at the scene.

Sounds like a familiar MO regarding Oswald showing up, unannounced, at the Paine's the previous evening, rather than calling ahead and risk being turned down.

If you ask me.

[Walt Cakebread]

Bookhout's account doesn't say anything about Shelley seeing Oswald during this time.  Read it again.

"He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly, and thereafter went home. He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of Bill Shelly, he did not believe that there was going to be anymore work that day due to the confusion in the building."

Actor Bill Paxton (as a child) stood around the outside of the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth with JFK that morning and heard remarks that JFK made.  It doesn't therefore follow that JFK would report seeing Bill Paxton.

"He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly,

You're right.....It's possible that Lee could have stood around outside just as Bill Shelly was also standing around outside......and Shelly might not have noticed Lee because he was watching the activity in the rail yard.

[Alan Ford]

"Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly, and thereafter went home."

This new Bookhout (solo) report leaves out the most important Oswald claim contained in the earlier Bookhout (joint) report----------viz., that Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building. A remarkable omission!

Of course, those of a studiedly see-no-evil-hear-no-evil sensibility will assure us there is nothing to see here...

[Walt Cakebread]

"Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly, and thereafter went home."

This new Bookhout (solo) report leaves out the most important Oswald claim contained in the earlier Bookhout (joint) report----------viz., that Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building. A remarkable omission!


Of course, those of a studiedly see-no-evil-hear-no-evil sensibility will assure us there is nothing to see here...

Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building.

What's more.... Junior Jarman And Harold Norman testified that they entered the TSBD through the back door near the Domino room at about 12:26 / !2:27....   And Lee Oswald said that he saw them "come in" .  How could he have known that they entered the building near the 1st floor lunchroom if he was not right there watching?