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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2018, 05:31:09 AM »
Mr. BOOKHOUT - .....that subject was taken up again, as I recall,  in the second interview, expressed the same answer at that time, and then subsequently to that interview he backed up and said that it wasn't actually true as to how he got home.  That he had taken a bus, and due to the traffic jam he had left the bus and got a taxicab, by which means he actually arrived at his residence.
Same song sung for decades. The established yarn that would become the official story.
There are too many threads knitting the same arguments. I could buy the bus/taxi scenario if only it would have just made any sense.

Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2018, 02:24:16 PM »
Oswald's words during the hours of interrogation were recalled by not only the Dallas Police but have powerful corroboration from a variety of other eyewitnesses, but feel free to believe whatever you want. Oswald knew his rights during hours of interrogation but still squealed like a pig.

LHO had a right to remain silent. He knew his rights so unless you can produce a waiver form signed by LHO then we have to presume that he kept his mouth shut. The fact that the DPD chose not to record the alleged interrogations or even have a stenographer present undermines their claims.

LHO was never provided with a lawyer either so all of this is dubious. That leaves us with the evidence and that shows thar he didn't take McWatters' bus or get in Whaley's cab.

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Well don't quote him then, see how easy that was.

Actually, *you* quoted him.

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So you only care about weak illogical evidence that supports your fairytale. Got it.

JohnM

Again, you have me confused with yourself. Why do you support a theory that has NO SUPPORTING evidence?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2018, 08:35:37 PM »
Nice, Brian.  You're zero for two.

Offline Tom Scully

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« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2018, 04:00:20 AM »
Thank you for straightening me out on those two points, Albert, especially the Armstrong speculation.  That was most informative.

Is it me, or can you imagine the smirk Mr. Whaley musta displayed on his face when he testified,:
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/whaley3.htm

?Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; I take that back, sir. I saw the picture in the paper when they had, when Ruby killed him at the time between the two detectives. ?.

In the yeah, but whaddaboutme, category:
BTW, Mark....hows come you, Damore, and Roger Charles are literally fawned over by our Dr. J, considering it was I who wiped the lipstick off of Dr. J's "pig"?

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https://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/04/opinion/oliver-north-overprotected.html
Mar 4, 1991 - Brendan Sullivan, the defense lawyer who became famous for asking the Iran-contra committee, "What am I, a potted plant?,"
https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/11/14/anatomy-cia-assassination-part-1/
Anatomy of a CIA Assassination: The Chase - November 14, 2017

Offline Tom Scully

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« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2018, 04:08:26 AM »
Hey, Tom !

Since you mentioned Roger Charles, would he happen to be related to Ellen Charles, who was Marjorie Post's granddaughter?  You do remember that Mary Draper Janney was on the Board of Directors at Hillwood Museum, which is where I met her back in the day, as they say.  Do you also know of her relationship to Woods Hole and Bill Walton?  Really cracked open a nut there, huh?

Mark, I hope you have found what you sought so long and it sounds like you have interesting roots.
Good luck processing what you & DNA science have opened doors to. You probably have forgotten more than I
am able to remember, and you seem a bottomless resource of valuable information.

Ellen is a horsewoman, ehhh? R. Gavin Charles (His mother Frances Louise Charles's 2009 metro DC area obit
includes him as Gavin, seems unlikely to be directly related to Ellen Charles.

This is link to info on R. Gavin's grandfather....
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150484035

This was the "lipstick," in author Dr. Janney's own words, before I wiped it off the pig,:
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The Autodaf of Lisa Pease and James DiEugenio Tomas de Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition return in a new era of suppression of freedom of thought and adherence to a rigid dogma - namely their own prejudices!
By Peter Janney  July 6, 2012

....And so in Pease's fantasy world, nothing matters (or is able to be grasped) except her distorted perception of her own opinions that have no real basis in factual evidence.

But not yet content, Pease wants her supporters to believe that all of this "illustrates Janney's shortcomings as a researcher."...

....In addition, Ms. Pease can't even seem to fathom or consider how "Lt. William L. Mitchell," a man who told police he was jogging on the towpath when he passed Mary Meyer ? allegedly just before the murder took place ? told police that a "Negro male" matching Wiggins' description was following her in an effort to frame Ray Crump. "Mitchell" would then testify against Crump at the murder trial nine months later in July 1965 as part of the CIA's assassination operation. It doesn't seem to matter to Pease that "Mitchell" has never been able to be located since the trial, or that his known address during that time was documented as a "CIA safe house" by three separate former CIA employees. At the time of trial in July 1965, Mitchell told a reporter that he had since retired from the military and was now a mathematics instructor at Georgetown University ? yet no record of his employment there could ever be located, nor was there ever any bona-fide military service record located for "Mitchell," either in the Pentagon where he was listed in the directory at the time of the murder, or in the main military data base in St. Louis. This was thoroughly researched by the Peabody Award-winning journalist Roger Charles, as discussed in my book, a fact that Pease fails to mention in one of her many deliberate omissions, which also included Damore's consultation with L. Fletcher Prouty (as documented by Damore's attorney James H. Smith) to finally understand who "Mitchell" was, before Damore confronted him. Of course, Lisa Pease is entitled to whatever flawed point of view she wants to embrace, but she's not entitled to her own set of facts.....
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Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1510708936

Peter Janney - 2016 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pinchot Meyer, and Their Vision for World Peace: Third Edition Peter ... 2 Mr. Scully focused his attack on the conclusions I had presented about the prosecution witness William L. Mitchell, ...

Janney struck me as disturbed to the degree of shrill and trumpian (aka, "It ain't me, babe."). Janney and Albert have found each other.
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Offline Mike Orr

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2018, 07:09:45 PM »
You all make it sound like it would have taken Oswald way to long to buy a coke so that makes the time limited as to what LHO could have done before he is confronted by Marion Baker and Truly . It probably took about 7 seconds for LHO to buy his coke . Geez !

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2018, 08:03:37 PM »
He believes what he says, therefore he's not lying.

Fair point.  If he's not lying, then he is delusional.  Either way, he is wrong.