Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1365 on: September 21, 2019, 08:39:00 PM »
This aerial photo is very interesting.....It obviously was taken at the time. ( Probably the morning of November 23).....
   
 It is not known exactly when the aerial was taken. I only know that it was back at the time. The locations were supplied by David Josephs.
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Holan was never called by the Warren Commission. Nor is there any evidence she was ever interviewed by either the Dallas Police or the FBI. Like many important witnesses in the JFK assassination, she was discovered by private citizens many years after the fact. Local Dallas researchers Bill Pulte and Michael Brownlow were the first to talk to her. Which is weird since she lived only one door down from the crime scene, at 409 10th Street, on the second floor. This placed her in a perfect position to see what she was about to disclose. The most remarkable information to come to the fore in the two interviews she granted was this: As she looked out her window upon hearing the shots, she saw a second police car at the scene. It was in the driveway between 404 and 410 East Tenth. This was adjacent to the spot on the street where Tippit’s car stopped. Knowingly or unknowingly, Tippit had blocked the driveway, which led to an alley at mid-block. She said a man got out of the car, looked at Tippit’s body and then went back down the driveway. He was alongside the car, which was retreating back toward the alley. She also saw a man fleeing the scene in a different direction. (McBride, pp. 494-95)


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1366 on: September 28, 2019, 03:36:11 AM »
Barbara Davis testimony....
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Mr. BALL. Was he dressed the same in the lineup as he was when you saw him running across the lawn?
Mrs. DAVIS. All except he didn't have a black coat on when I saw him in the lineup.
Mr. BALL. Did he have a coat on when you saw him?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What color coat?
Mrs. DAVIS. A dark coat.
Mr. BALL. Now, did you recognize him from his face or from his clothes when you saw him in the lineup?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, I looked at his clothes and then his face from the side because I had seen him from a side view of him. I didn't see him fullface.
Mr. BALL. Now answer the question. Did you recognize him from seeing his face or from his clothes?
Mrs. DAVIS. From his face because that was all I was looking at.


Virginia Davis testimony.....
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Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what color his trousers were?
Mrs. DAVIS. I think they were black. Brown jacket and trousers.
Mr. BELIN. The trousers were black?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what kind of shirt he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir; I don't recall that.
Mr. BELIN. Was the jacket open or closed up?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was open.
Mr. BELIN. But you don't remember what kind of shirt he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did he look at you?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir; not that I remember. I don't think so.

From their testimony you can tell that the Davis women were nervous and somewhat intimidated as they were quite young. I believe it was Virginia who was 15 or 16 at the time...a child bride.
Their testimony is full of contradictions as you would read in the earlier pages. What bothers me is the part [Barbara statement] where the shooter was wearing a black coat.
 

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1367 on: September 28, 2019, 05:07:29 AM »
Barbara Davis testimony....

Virginia Davis testimony.....
From their testimony you can tell that the Davis women were nervous and somewhat intimidated as they were quite young. I believe it was Virginia who was 15 or 16 at the time...a child bride.
Their testimony is full of contradictions as you would read in the earlier pages. What bothers me is the part [Barbara statement] where the shooter was wearing a black coat.
 

So what do you think it means that the two women gave differing descriptions of the coat/jacket?

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« Reply #1368 on: September 28, 2019, 05:09:31 AM »
Helen Markham [after some prodding in her testimony] only stated that the # 2 in the line up ''gave her chills''. Oswald was beat up and worn out. The other guys were probably cops in suits. Here is an aerial view of the Tippit scene back in the day. NOTE--Markham was some 125 feet or more from the squad car......



The men alongside Oswald in the lineups were not wearing suits.  Good grief.  Read their testimony along with the testimony of others, regarding the lineups.

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« Reply #1369 on: September 28, 2019, 06:03:22 AM »
So what do you think it means that the two women gave differing descriptions of the coat/jacket?
I don't really know Mr Brown. What do you think it means that neither of the young ladies described a light grey or white jacket like was found supposedly discarded? So perhaps there actually was more than one guy involved after all.

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« Reply #1370 on: September 28, 2019, 06:19:24 AM »
I don't really know Mr Brown. What do you think it means that neither of the young ladies described a light grey or white jacket like was found supposedly discarded? So perhaps there actually was more than one guy involved after all.

So you think that perhaps Barbara saw a different man than Virginia saw?  C'mon Jerry.

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« Reply #1371 on: September 28, 2019, 02:06:01 PM »
So you think that perhaps Barbara saw a different man than Virginia saw?  C'mon Jerry.
Always answering a question with a question.