Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2018, 07:18:09 AM »
How do you know that?

Because of the evidence that I and others have presented here. The windshield exists this very day in the National Archives and photos of it reveal no hole in it. FBI agent Robert Frazier noted on a diagram of the limo that he drew in the early morning hours of Nov 23 that there were no bullet holes in the limo.




At about 10 AM that same morning, F. Vaughn Ferguson of the Ford Motor Company examined the windshield and on December 18 wrote: "Examination of the windshield disclosed no perforation"

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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2018, 09:00:00 AM »
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Offline Mike Orr

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2018, 06:43:30 PM »
So everyone who saw the hole in the windshield , were lying about it !

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Online Chris Bristow

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2018, 04:11:15 AM »
If the windshield hole in Altgens 6 is real then the trajectory traces back to the SouthWest corner of the plaza,  Just under the overpass at Commerce St. Using a 4 degree margin of error the edge of that 28 foot box includes the sidewalk on Commerce St. just under the overpass. That seems to the only cover. It provides a shot that would be just slightly uphill. It also means the limo is heading almost straight at the gunman when the shot happens.
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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2018, 10:11:46 PM »
Because of the evidence that I and others have presented here. The windshield exists this very day in the National Archives and photos of it reveal no hole in it. FBI agent Robert Frazier noted on a diagram of the limo that he drew in the early morning hours of Nov 23 that there were no bullet holes in the limo.




At about 10 AM that same morning, F. Vaughn Ferguson of the Ford Motor Company examined the windshield and on December 18 wrote: "Examination of the windshield disclosed no perforation"

http://ss100x.com/ferg1.gif

  I do not even see a note of a crack/hole in the windshield at all?

 Does anyone have  a photo of the area under the overpass Chris described

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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2018, 12:52:39 AM »
Doug Horne/Lew Rockwell article ? Whitaker
https://ss100x.wordpress.com/tag/whitaker/

"This story is patently ridiculous. SS100X had a stock LCC windshield. It could have been replaced anywhere, including at Love Field when it sat on the tarmac in the AF C-130 for over two hours. In addition, there is no evidence of any nature to indicate that Whitaker ever saw the limo (as he describes it so inaccurately) or that the limo had any connection to the Rouge. It then goes without saying that nothing Whitaker says about the windshield has any significance. How a reasoning person can fall for such illogical statements as these, I have no clue. But, every so often, another unsuspecting newbie comes by and gets tripped up by this disinfo. Then they tend to go around in circles huffing and puffing when asked to provide even a shred of documentation for any of Whitaker?s claims."

Yeah, they could have just called "Safelite repair, Safelite replace".   ::)

Six witnesses said there was a through and through hole, but they were all mistaken because . . .

Reasons.

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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2018, 03:34:04 AM »
Because of the evidence that I and others have presented here. The windshield exists this very day in the National Archives and photos of it reveal no hole in it. FBI agent Robert Frazier noted on a diagram of the limo that he drew in the early morning hours of Nov 23 that there were no bullet holes in the limo.




At about 10 AM that same morning, F. Vaughn Ferguson of the Ford Motor Company examined the windshield and on December 18 wrote: "Examination of the windshield disclosed no perforation"

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[/quote I asked you if their diagram included the crack, deformity, whatever you want to call it in Altgens 7
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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2018, 03:38:58 AM »
 Horne discusses the shot in throat likely came from the South end of the knoll  an that the bruising of the lung reported by Humes, under the mistaken notion that such bruising was from the shot in the back, was instead the path of the front neck wound Dr Clark from Parkland told the NY times a day or to afterwards that the throat wound went down into the chest I don't think he outright mentions the windshield but it sure seems to be the suggestion

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Re: No Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2018, 03:35:51 PM »
There was  no  through-and-through bullet caused hole in the limousine's front  windshield.

Discovered  the following within the  truly  excellent website,  "Men of Courage: President Kennedy-elimination" ( page 8 )  provided by  long time researcher  Donald Roberdeau  http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2011/05/page-8.html


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Here is the precisely scaled diagram of the Presidential limousine that details
for us the windshield and the bullet fragment-caused windshield glass impacted
defect precise location that was only in the inside glass surface....


http://i.imgur.com/bx7eamY.gif
click the frame to expand it into a larger, sharper, follow-up window
(Thank You and Hat Tip to Jerry Organ for the limousine?s scaled, basic diagram)




= A windshield bullet fragment-caused glass defect that was not
a through-and-through hole, but, instead, a bullet fragment
had only impacted only onto the inside surface of the
windshield?s glass.

This diagram details precisely where that glass defect
was documented to be located at 12:30 PM on 11-22-63
(just seconds after the volleys of shots ended) when
James Altgens captured his 7th photo, and, the same, exact
location for the defect is also documented in photos
captured minutes later at Parkland Hospital?s emergency
entrance bay, and, as clearly seen in F.B.I. photos
captured about 12 hours later in the White House garage.

This diagram also details where President Kennedy and
Governor Connally?s heads were each precisely located at
the Z-206 instant of the attack during the volley?s of shots,
when President Kennedy is documented in the Zapruder
film to have ALREADY rapidly snapped his head an ultrafast 87
degrees within only 0.16 of a second that was, more than likely,
in his very first immediate reaction to just having been impacted
by a bullet.

The diagram above proves, very simply, and, very precisely, exactly why President Kennedy could not have been struck in the front of his throat by a bullet fired from his left front, that a few persons theorize passed-through a (never-existing) windshield hole.?

= If a hot bullet had been fired from President Kennedy?s front-left,
then, passed through the windshield (without the windshield deflecting
its path, AND, without the hot bullet size being deformed into a larger size **),
that bullet, simply, would have had to enter into Governor Connally first!....

= Entering Connally in either his head?s front left-half, his neck, or hitting
him in his much larger front upper-chest, front left shoulder, or left side!
(None of which were ever impacted)


** Along with CONNALLY located directly in-between the windshield glass defect and JFK, bullets tests have documented and revealed that a hot bullet (and all bullets are extremely hot metal) passing through the multiple-layers laminated glass of the windshield would have also, surely, deformed any hot bullet in its size and shape while the hot bullet impacted with, then, passed through multiple-layers of reinforced glass while impacting through each of those reinforced layers. These impacts-caused deformations onto a hot bullet directly causing size and shape distortions of the bullet most likely would not match doctor PERRY?s very clear description of JFK?s neck front, very small, round wound with very clean edges and a mere 3 to 5 millimeters in width as doctor PERRY described to President KENNEDY's autopsy doctor HUMES within 1 day of the assassination. (and later examinations revealed no laminated glass fragments nor any bullet metal fragments were present in the neck front wound, nor JFK?s shirt, nor the slightly-nicked-by-something oval damage clearly visible on his neck tie knot?s left side outer layer, nor on his neck, nor on his face, nor was there any glass fragments ever found on the front of JFK?s suit coat, nor found on anyone else in the limousine)


http://i.imgur.com/Lo023S3.jpg
click the frame to expand it into an extremely larger, sharper, follow-up window

The Altgens # 7 photo above was snapped by the very closeby witness Ike Altgens within seconds after the volleys of assassination shots ended. This photo again confirms the exact same location of the front window defect....a window defect that is only indented on the inside surface of the windshield.




http://i.imgur.com/oKxaR7b.gif
click the frame to expand it into a larger, sharper, follow-up window



For an added exact location comparison of the windshield inside surface defect (along with nearby blood drops spatter and brain matter scatter on the windshield's inside surface), the windshield inside surface defect was also documented and confirmed in the exact same Altgens # 7 photo windshield location as its location when the windshield inside surface defect was photographed about 12 hours after the assassination in the White House garage, seen here, in photo CE-350




Here is the clear, very close-up photo of Warren Commission exhibit CE-350 documented on 11-22-63 hours after Dallas looking from the front, outside of the windshield detailing the glass surface dented, small bullet fragment impact defect that was impacted on the inside windshield surface, only, never resulting in an open, nor any rounded, full bullet hole
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http://i.imgur.com/Kdc39sS.jpg
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?Eternal Return: A Hole Through the Windshield??
by Barb Junkkarinen, Jerry Logan, Josiah Thompson
http://web.archive.org/web/20130624041251/http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=82475&mesg_id=82475&listing_type=search

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Re: No Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2018, 04:05:27 PM »
 Maybe. However that conclusion of yours is not the only significant question raised on the thread. I thought I saw a lose up that looked a little different than the one available here Clearly some of the other photographs from official souurces look completely different than the originals

 

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