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The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2018, 01:40:44 AM »
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The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway? How was she missing? She was on the stairs. Just much later than she recalled.

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2018, 02:33:13 AM »
The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway? How was she missing? She was on the stairs. Just much later than she recalled.

 The assassination would be great time stamp for most people

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2018, 03:32:37 PM »
The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway? How was she missing? She was on the stairs. Just much later than she recalled.


    "The Boss" Garner allegedly seeing Styles and Adams going Down the stairs, and After that seeing Officer Baker and Roy Truly coming Up the stairs, at a minimum Time Stamps these 2 Events with relation to each. Garner corroborating/time stamping the Adams WC Testimony would have been difficult if not impossible for the WC lawyers to get around. This makes it obvious as to why Garner was not called to testify before the WC.
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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2018, 03:51:52 PM »
Mr. BELIN - Now trying to reconstruct your actions insofar as the time sequence, which we haven't done, what is your best estimate of the time between the time the shots were fired and the time you got back to the building? How much time elapsed? If you have any estimate. Maybe you don't have one.

 Seems a little derisive

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2018, 04:16:10 PM »
Can you explain Tim, how neither Lovelady nor Shelley recall seeing or hearing neither Victoria nor Sandra on the first floor at any time post shots?

Can you explain Tony, how Lovelady and Shelley could have recalled remaining on the steps of the building for three to four minutes after the shooting?

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rom the official WC testimony Victoria supposedly spoke to both men yet neither recall this event despite Lovelady demonstrating ESP-like qualities during his testimony.

Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.
Mr. BALL - Who is Vickie?
Mr. LOVELADY - The girl that works for Scott, Foresman.
Mr. BALL - What is her full name?
Mr. LOVELADY - I wouldn't know.
Mr. BALL - Vickie Adams?
Mr. LOVELADY - I believe so.
Mr. BALL - Would you say it was Vickie you saw?
Mr. LOVELADY - I couldn't swear.
Mr. BALL - Where was the girl?
Mr. LOVELADY - I don't remember what place she was but I remember seeing a girl as she was talking to Bill or saw Bill or something, then I went over and asked one of the guys what time it was and to see if we should continue working or what.
Mr. BALL - Did you see any other people on the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, yes; by that time there were more; a few of the guys had come in.
Mr. BALL - And you stayed on the first floor then?

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Vickie Adams?
Mr. SHELLEY - I saw her that day but I don't remember where I saw her.
Mr. BALL - You don't remember whether you saw her when you came back?
Mr. SHELLEY - It was after we entered the building.
Mr. BALL - You think you did see her after you entered the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, sir; I thought it was on the fourth floor awhile after that.

Mr. BALL - Did you see Vickie Adams after you came into the building and did you see her on the first floor?
Mr. SHELLEY - I sure don't remember.
Mr. BALL - You don't.
Mr. SHELLEY - No.

Compare that to:

Mr. BELIN - When you got to the bottom of the first floor, did you see anyone there as you entered the first floor from the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Who did you see?
Miss ADAMS - Mr. Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady.

Mr. BELIN - Between the time you got off the stairs and the time you got to this point when you say you encountered them, which was somewhat to the south and a little bit east of the front of the east elevator, did you see any other employees there?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.

Mr. BELIN - Any other people prior to the time you saw them?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.

Mr. BELIN - Now what did you do after you encountered Mr. Shelley and Mr. Lovelady?
Miss ADAMS - I said I believed the President was shot.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember what they said?
Miss ADAMS - Nothing.

How could this be? The two men that apparently Victoria saw and spoke to on the first floor do not recall this event despite both men recalling speaking to Calvary?

Mr. LOVELADY - I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot.
Mr. BALL - Who was this girl?
Mr. LOVELADY - Gloria Calvary.

Mr. BALL - Now, when Gloria came up you were standing near Mr. Shelley?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yeah.

Mr. BALL - Then what happened?
Mr. SHELLEY - Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute.

How come neither Lovelady and Shelley recall Victoria saying:

Mr. BELIN - Now what did you do after you encountered Mr. Shelley and Mr. Lovelady?
Miss ADAMS - I said I believed the President was shot.

There is something seriously remiss with the Adams/Lovelady/Shelley encounter.

Yet - hoping that no one would ever read the WC testimonies -the WR stated:

"On entering, Lovelady saw a girl on the first floor who he believes was Victoria Adams."

Commission, Warren; House Select Committee on Assassinations; Assassination Records Review Board; U.S. Government. Complete Guide to the 1963 JFK Assassination: The Full Text of Three Major Reports - Warren Commission, House Select Committee, and the Assassination Records Review Board - President John F. Kennedy (Kindle Location 2842). Progressive Management. Kindle Edition.

Just how could the WR state this when Lovelady said no such thing?

Yet, all Mr Belin had to do was call up Sandra Styles and Dorothy Garner to resolve this.

He did neither.

However, we know why he chose not to do so. This was a territory Mr Belin ignored to pursue.



Mr David Belin, You are the Jury

"Our frame of reference was established in our first meeting with our
chairman, Chief Justice Warren. Regardless of what we found, regardless of
how the chips might fall, the Chief Justice said, our only concern was for the
truth.
We took him at his word. "Truth is our only goal," he said.
The key word was "only." To be sure, in a trial, when examining or
cross-examining a witness, I was always concerned with the truth-"the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God." But my concern
was never merely for the sake of the truth itself.

He did not "find the Truth" but took the easy way out by failing to call up Sandra and Dorothy, failing to include Victoria in a timed reconstruction and failing to act on the Stroud Letter.

Who was the girl that Lovelady encountered on the first floor?


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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2018, 04:16:46 PM »
The assassination would be great time stamp for most people

You might think so but you'd be wrong.

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2018, 04:17:43 PM »

    "The Boss" Garner allegedly seeing Styles and Adams going Down the stairs, and After that seeing Officer Baker and Roy Truly coming Up the stairs, at a minimum Time Stamps these 2 Events with relation to each. Garner corroborating/time stamping the Adams WC Testimony would have been difficult if not impossible for the WC lawyers to get around. This makes it obvious as to why Garner was not called to testify before the WC.

Garner never saw Styles and Adams going down the stairs.

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