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[John Mytton]

Brennan cannot be seen in film footage at the times of the second and third shots. He would not have been destroyed by a defence lawyer when testifying under oath.

How exactly do you think Carolyn Arnold's testimony would go, in light of her Nov 26 statement to the FBI?

Brennan's first day description of Oswald was very close and considering that the majority of the people at the TSBD windows were either black or women then Brennan most certainly saw Oswald, you know the guy who left his prints covering the Sniper's nest and the guy who owned the rifle on the very same floor.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

I admit earlier I was using the Australian/British meaning of ground floor and the first floor instead of the American first floor and second floor but it doesn't change the fact that Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in her lunchroom on the second floor and your claim that it was an alibi for Oswald's sighting by Jnr and Norman on the first floor was seriously flawed. Sorry bout that.

Arnold told author Anthony Summers that “Arnold told author Anthony Summers that “she went into the lunchroom on the second floor for a moment” (she was pregnant at the time and had a craving for a glass of water) and saw Oswald there, alone and having lunch.”

If so, then I think Tim is Canadian and probably did the same thing as me, but there is no doubt Arnold was referring to her 2nd floor lunchroom.

Too bad that Baker saw Oswald leaving the hallway and therefore was entering the 2nd floor lunchroom. Oops!

JohnM

I admit earlier I was using the Australian/British meaning of ground floor and the first floor instead of the American first floor and second floor but it doesn't change the fact that Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in her lunchroom on the second floor and your claim that it was an alibi for Oswald's sighting by Jnr and Norman on the first floor was seriously flawed. Sorry bout that.

It wasn't "seriously flawed". It was intended to show you just how foolish you were. Sorry bout that.

Too bad that Baker saw Oswald leaving the hallway and therefore was entering the 2nd floor lunchroom. Oops!

Yeah, I know what Baker said, but having been in the TSBD I am 100% sure that there is no way that Baker could have seen Oswald in the way he described it.

[Tim Nickerson]

Who said anything about how a jury would weigh the evidence.

You asked for examples of items of evidence that were mishandled by the DPD. And the list of items is massive!

I asked you for examples of fungible items of evidence and for you to describe how were they mishandled by the DPD?

The only item you named was the blanket, and you never described how it was mishandled by the DPD.

The seven markings on the jacket were not needed but most of those who handled it marked on it anyway.

That's actually not true. The two unidentified officers who actually handled the jacket did not mark it. Only Captain Westbrook did.

The other six people who marked it never handled it.

If they never handled it, how could they have marked it?

The jacket is seen to be white under certain lighting conditions. Of course, you know that already.

Sure, but the radio traffic came from the officers who actually saw it at the parking lot. Were they so color blind that they couldn't determine the actual color of the jacket?

The officer who reported that it was white never handled the jacket. He saw it at a distance. it appeared to be white.

[John Mytton]

Too bad that Baker saw Oswald leaving the hallway and therefore was entering the 2nd floor lunchroom. Oops!

Yeah, I know what Baker said, but having been in the TSBD I am 100% sure that there is no way that Baker could have seen Oswald in the way he described it.

What a ludicrous self serving assumption and besides your usual song and dance of having Law enforcement conveniently lie when you've been proven wrong, there is so much misinformation with what you just said;

 • From the stairs you have a clear view of the Vestibule window, you know a clear glass window which is designed to be seen through.
 • Baker as he raced up the stairs wasn't making a search of the entire building, he noticed something out of the ordinary and investigated. Baker's priority was to reach the top of the building and the only reason he happened to see Oswald was because the elevator was stuck on an upper floor.
 • Truly who came in behind Baker said Oswald was standing just beyond the entrance of the lunchroom.

Mr. BELIN - What did you see that caused you to turn away from going up to the third floor?
Mr. BAKER - As I came out of that stairway running, Mr. Truly had already gone on around, see, and I don't know, as I come around----
Mr. DULLES - Gone on around and up?
Mr. BAKER - He had already started around the bend to come to the next elevation going up, I was coming out this one on the second floor, and I don't know, I was kind of sweeping this area as I come up, I was looking from right to left and as I got to this door here I caught a glimpse of this man, just, you know, a sudden glimpse, that is all it was now, and it looked to me like he was going away from me.
Mr. BELIN - All right. Then what did you do?
Mr. BAKER - I ran on up here and opened this door and when I got this door opened I could see him walking on down.
Mr. DULLES - Had he meanwhile gone on through the door ahead of you?
Mr. BAKER - I can't say whether he had gone on through that door or not. All I did was catch a glance at him, and evidently he was--this door might have been, you know, closing and almost shut at that time.

The view from the stairs, looking right through the vestibule door window into the hallway and the entrance to the lunchroom which is cannot be seen, is to the left



A plan of the 2nd floor with Baker's initial position when he saw Oswald, indicated by the "B" enclosed with the red box.

Mr. BAKER - At the upper portion of this stairway leading to the second floor, I was just stepping out on to the second floor when I caught this glimpse of this man through this doorway.
Mr. BELIN - Do you want to put a spot there, with the letter "B" at the point you believe you were when you were looking through that door? You put the letter "B" on Exhibit 497 when you first saw the movement.
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.



Truly saw Oswald standing just inside the lunchroom.

Mr. BELIN. And where was Lee Harvey Oswald at the time you saw him?
Mr. TRULY. He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside he was just inside the lunchroom door.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. TRULY. 2 or 3 feet, possibly.
Mr. BELIN. Could you put an "O" where you saw Lee Harvey Oswald?
All right. You have put an "O" on Exhibit 497.



Howlett showing the vestibule door closing(viewed from a different angled) which may have alerted Baker.



BTW since you've been there, tell the Forum precisely how "there is no way that Baker could have seen Oswald in the way he described it."??

JohnM

[Tim Nickerson]

Brennan's first day description of Oswald was very close and considering that the majority of the people at the TSBD windows were either black or women then Brennan most certainly saw Oswald, you know the guy who left his prints covering the Sniper's nest and the guy who owned the rifle on the very same floor.

JohnM

 Brennan testified under oath that he saw Oswald firing a rifle from the sniper's nest that Oswald had left his prints in, that's true. I do believe him. That being said, I avoid using him in the case against Oswald. CTs love to bash him, as they do others who implicate Oswald's guilt in murder.

[John Mytton]

Brennan testified under oath that he saw Oswald firing a rifle from the sniper's nest that Oswald had left his prints in, that's true. I do believe him. That being said, I avoid using him in the case against Oswald. CTs love to bash him, as they do others who implicate Oswald's guilt in murder.

You're right, the CT's in their last desperate gasps are now left attacking any eyewitness who implicates Oswald.

But before anything was officially known, Brennan's first day description of Oswald, was broadcast on the Police radio within 15 minutes is worth repeating because the CT's have no answers, they say that Brennan's description can be half the population of Dallas which is just absurd because first of all half the population is women and then when it's further dissected we have slim, around 5 foot 10 height which crosses out another stack of the population and next we have an appearance of about 30 which Oswald with his thinning scalp is about right and finally we have him as being white.
So after eliminating a wide cross section of the male population of Dallas we are left with a relative handful of people and then out of the employees in the Depository this is reduced to a mere fraction.
So by logical deduction we are left with a tiny fraction of people and considering that Oswald owned the rifle and owned the relative fresh prints in the exact window that Brennan specified, we can pinpoint who did the shooting!
Now if Brennan's description was elderly, black, fat, very tall and completely bald then we can write off Oswald, but it wasn't.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

I asked you for examples of fungible items of evidence and for you to describe how were they mishandled by the DPD?

The only item you named was the blanket, and you never described how it was mishandled by the DPD.

If they never handled it, how could they have marked it?

The officer who reported that it was white never handled the jacket. He saw it at a distance. it appeared to be white.

I asked you for examples of fungible items of evidence and for you to describe how were they mishandled by the DPD?

Your "non-fungible" qualification is just a disingenuous way to limit the scope of the evidence. I ignored it because evidence is evidence, period!

The only item you named was the blanket, and you never described how it was mishandled by the DPD.

I already told you. They placed the blanket next to the paper bag risking cross contamination,

If they never handled it, how could they have marked it?

That is indeed a very good question. There is no "if". You can go through all the evidence and testimony relating to the jacket and you won't find anything else but Captain Westbrook confirming he placed his mark on the jacket and saying that one unidentified officer pointed the jacket out to him and he gave the jacket to another unidentified officer when he himself moved on to the Texas Theater. The receipt of the evidence room shows that Westbrook handed the jacket in, which means he must have gotten it back at some point in time. Who the other six officers are who marked the jacket is a complete mystery. All that can be said about one of them is that he also marked the revolver.

The officer who reported that it was white never handled the jacket. He saw it at a distance. it appeared to be white.

Can you point me to that officer's testimony or report in which he confirms this?