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[Dan O'meara]

Brennan's first day description of Oswald was very close and considering that the majority of the people at the TSBD windows were either black or women then Brennan most certainly saw Oswald, you know the guy who left his prints covering the Sniper's nest and the guy who owned the rifle on the very same floor.

JohnM

Brennan's first day description of Oswald was very close

This is Brennan's first day description of the man he saw:

"He was a white man in his early 30s, slender, nice-looking, and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds"

He was white (that sounds like Oswald)
He was a man (two for two, this really could be Oswald)
In his early 30s (D'oh. Only about tens years off! When he actually saw Oswald he was struck by how much older the guy in the TSBD building appeared to be)
Slender (we're back on track, Oswald was definitely slender)
Nice looking (nice looking?? Oswald?? I don't think there's going to be many takers for that one)
About 165 to 175 pounds (Hmmm...not really. Even the lower estimate is a good 15 pounds off)

Three out of six ain't bad but is there a universe where this description can be considered a "very close" description of Oswald?
No.
No, there isn't.

You can tell when Nutters are backed into a corner when they pull Brennan out of the hat.
Far from being the star of the show he turned out to be the most unreliable and least credible witness out of the lot (and that was up against some stiff competition).
He was the only witness to be called back to give clarifying testimony TWICE in the same day and he still had to give a further affidavit providing further clarification.
This article about Brennan is worth reading - https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1619/howard-brennan-star-witness-who

"...considering that the majority of the people at the TSBD windows were either black or women then Brennan most certainly saw Oswald.."

This statement must surely find a seat at the top table of bizarre Nutter "logic"

[Michael Capasse]

There are a lot of problems with Brennan.

First - He FAILED to identify Lee at the line ups. It doesn't matter what reason he gave later. He failed to identify him.
https://jfk.boards.net/post/3579

He gave several different reason to not choose Oswald. He said he had seen the man on TV and that might have
"..cloud[ed] any identification.." in his book, he didn't trust the Dallas Police.   

"I felt even more angry and betrayed. I hadn’t agreed to make an identification to the local authorities.
I knew that there were ways my identity could become known though the leaks in the police department and I didn’t want any part of it."

Meanwhile, his face was already on the local television the day of, with pictures of him talking to the Secret Service.
Brennan boasted about the expedited broadcast to attorney Belin during his Commission testimony, asking if he had seen it.
His name, age, and occupation, also appeared in the Dallas Morning News as a statement to the press the day after.

The FBI took several statements from Brennan from Nov 22, until the day he testified.
Other visits were required when Howard "appeared to revert to his earlier inability" to identify Lee Oswald.
These recorded statements raise doubts, in addition to other direct contradictions in his testimony.

The most important discrepancy I can see is, what he said at the end of testimony.
They were quick to dismiss him right after he said it:

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Mr. BELIN. Do you remember the specific color of any shirt
that the man with the rifle was wearing?

Mr. BRENNAN. No, other than light, and a khaki color--maybe in khaki.
I mean other than light color--not a real white shirt, in other words.
If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side.

Mr. BELIN. All right. Could you see the man's trousers at all?
Do you remember any color?

Mr. BRENNAN. I remembered them at that time as being similar to the same color
of the shirt or a little lighter. And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.

Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by that?
Mr. BRENNAN. That he was not dressed in the same clothes that I saw the man in the window.

Mr. BELIN. You mean with reference to the trousers or the shirt?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, not particularly either. In other words, he just didn't have the same clothes on.

Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. BRENNAN. I don't know whether you have that in the record or not. I am sure you do.

Mr. DULLES. Any further questions? I guess there are no more questions, Mr. Belin.

https://jfk.boards.net/post/3587/thread

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The films of the 6th floor as the car makes the turn show no face or flesh tone in that window - it is covered in boxes and what looks like a pipe
coming out of the window.  The WC had six witnesses that saw a rifle but, up until Brennan, none would say they saw Oswald.

But the HSCA found a witness that had seen someone in that room moving boxes 2-5 mins after the shooting.
Lt Day had concerns on the witness stand that the boxes were not the same configuration he saw when he was there

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7564

Meanwhile, Carolyn Walther, Richard Carr and Johnny Powell all saw more than one person in the window before the president arrived.
All three saw a combination of light colored clothing - Spanish looking people  - a rifle  - and a man in a brown suit. All were ignored by the WC.
There again, Commission witnesses, Arnold Rowland & Amos Euins also saw light colored clothing and what they thought were  "colored" people in the window.
IMO, when they had no one to identify Lee, it came down to; "Mr Brennan, we know who you saw, we have his rifle. Will you testify?" Not very difficult.

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7692/thread
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[Richard Smith]

Brennan's first day description of Oswald was very close

This is Brennan's first day description of the man he saw:

"He was a white man in his early 30s, slender, nice-looking, and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds"

He was white (that sounds like Oswald)
He was a man (two for two, this really could be Oswald)
In his early 30s (D'oh. Only about tens years off! When he actually saw Oswald he was struck by how much older the guy in the TSBD building appeared to be)
Slender (we're back on track, Oswald was definitely slender)
Nice looking (nice looking?? Oswald?? I don't think there's going to be many takers for that one)
About 165 to 175 pounds (Hmmm...not really. Even the lower estimate is a good 15 pounds off)

Three out of six ain't bad but is there a universe where this description can be considered a "very close" description of Oswald?
No.
No, there isn't.

That's quite a standard to apply under the circumstances.  Of course, "nice looking" is a subjective description.  It could just mean he was dressed neatly.  Not necessarily that he looked like a movie star. Oswald was balding and certainly looked older than 24.  In his 30s is not a bad estimate of his age given that he was seen from the ground through a 6th floor window.  Weight is an estimate.  Overall, pretty close to Oswald and reported in the minutes following the assassination.  At the very least, Brennan confirms that a slender, white male was the person firing shots from the 6th floor window.  That alone debunks many CT theories that involve no shots being fired from that window.  And whose prints are found on the boxes behind that window?  Whose rifle is found on that floor?  Whose shell casing are found by the window?  All the evidence points to a slender white male named LHO.  It's difficult to even understand how there could be much more evidence than exists to support that conclusion.

[Dan O'meara]

That's quite a standard to apply under the circumstances.  Of course, "nice looking" is a subjective description.  It could just mean he was dressed neatly.  Not necessarily that he looked like a movie star. Oswald was balding and certainly looked older than 24.  In his 30s is not a bad estimate of his age given that he was seen from the ground through a 6th floor window.  Weight is an estimate.  Overall, pretty close to Oswald and reported in the minutes following the assassination.  At the very least, Brennan confirms that a slender, white male was the person firing shots from the 6th floor window.  That alone debunks many CT theories that involve no shots being fired from that window.  And whose prints are found on the boxes behind that window?  Whose rifle is found on that floor?  Whose shell casing are found by the window?  All the evidence points to a slender white male named LHO.  It's difficult to even understand how there could be much more evidence than exists to support that conclusion.

 All the evidence points to a slender white male named LHO.

 
I didn't realise that Brennan could tell his initials just by looking at him!!

That's quite a standard to apply under the circumstances.

The circumstances are that Brennan was using his eyes to look at someone, then describe that person.
His unbelievably basic description of the man he saw was still way off.
Because you're so blinded by your bias you don't see how ridiculous your point is about Brennan's estimation of the age of the man in the window.
You argue that Oswald looked older than he really was and that's why Brennan got his estimation so wrong, but what you fail to appreciate is that Brennan was comparing the age of the man in the window to Oswald himself!
When he actually saw Oswald, Brennan was struck by how much younger he looked compared to the man in the window.
Next you'll be arguing that Oswald looked almost a decade older in the TSBD building than he did elsewhere.

[Richard Smith]

All the evidence points to a slender white male named LHO.

 
I didn't realise that Brennan could tell his initials just by looking at him!!

That's quite a standard to apply under the circumstances.

The circumstances are that Brennan was using his eyes to look at someone, then describe that person.
His unbelievably basic description of the man he saw was still way off.
Because you're so blinded by your bias you don't see how ridiculous your point is about Brennan's estimation of the age of the man in the window.
You argue that Oswald looked older than he really was and that's why Brennan got his estimation so wrong, but what you fail to appreciate is that Brennan was comparing the age of the man in the window to Oswald himself!
When he actually saw Oswald, Brennan was struck by how much younger he looked compared to the man in the window.
Next you'll be arguing that Oswald looked almost a decade older in the TSBD building than he did elsewhere.

Brennan's description is certainly not "way off."  At worst he added a few years to balding Oswald's actual age (not a decade) and pounds to his weight while looking at him through a 6th floor window.  I would say it is remarkably accurate under the circumstances.  The fact that it was provided within a few minutes of the event means he was not influenced by the press coverage or some conspiracy to frame Oswald.  You really think that because Brennan was a few years off on estimating Oswald's age that that somehow raise doubt about all the evidence left behind that window including Oswald's prints and shell casings from his rifle?  Honestly, that is not very compelling.   

[Dan O'meara]

Brennan's description is certainly not "way off."  At worst he added a few years to balding Oswald's actual age (not a decade) and pounds to his weight while looking at him through a 6th floor window.  I would say it is remarkably accurate under the circumstances.  The fact that it was provided within a few minutes of the event means he was not influenced by the press coverage or some conspiracy to frame Oswald.  You really think that because Brennan was a few years off on estimating Oswald's age that that somehow raise doubt about all the evidence left behind that window including Oswald's prints and shell casings from his rifle?  Honestly, that is not very compelling.

You really think that because Brennan was a few years off on estimating Oswald's age that that somehow raise doubt about all the evidence left behind that window including Oswald's prints and shell casings from his rifle?

Strawman Smith strikes again 

I would say it is remarkably accurate under the circumstances.

 

[Richard Smith]

You really think that because Brennan was a few years off on estimating Oswald's age that that somehow raise doubt about all the evidence left behind that window including Oswald's prints and shell casings from his rifle?

Strawman Smith strikes again 

I would say it is remarkably accurate under the circumstances.

 

I'm not exactly sure what you are taking issue with since you didn't articulate a single point while acting like a petulant child upset to learn that there is no Santa Claus.  Oswald was balding and looked much older than 24.  I would have guessed his age as late 20s or early 30s.  Estimating his age as in his 30s is reasonable.  Particularly for someone who saw him through a 6th floor window.  The description is not "way off."  That is an absurd characterization.  It highlights the incredible bias that you bring to this case.  You would have us believe that it could only be Oswald if Brennan had performed like a circus worker and precisely guessed his age and weight.   In your fantasy world, any discrepancy in his estimate negates the real evidence such as Oswald's prints on the SN, the presence of his rifle, and fired shell casings on behind the window.   That's breathtaking and the only truly unresolved issue is not whether Oswald was the shooter but why anyone would go to such tortured lengths to try to exonerate him.