Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #63 on: December 24, 2025, 10:53:00 PM »


Steve, here is a frame from Dorman’s film that shows Tina Towner (circled in yellow) standing and looking down Elm Street in the direction of the Limo. (Edit: Tina’s hair appears to be flying outwards in all directions as if she had just spun her head around, perhaps from the TSBD to the limo.) This Dorman frame was taken just before Z313. It appears to me that Tina must have been pulled down immediately after the first shot and perhaps held down for a few seconds but had gotten back up by the time of the third shot at Z313. I can imagine that being held down for only a couple of seconds might seem like an eternity to a 13-year old under those circumstances.



By the way, the crouching figure circled in green appears (to me) to be Brennan looking up towards the sniper’s nest.

      Towner said she was pulled to the ground after Shot #1 was fired. Her film shows the JFK Limo having passed the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter. If her story is true, it rules out Shot #1 being fired extremely early. Her story/film also disproves the 11+ seconds elapsed firing time for the 3 shots from the sniper's nest.     

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #64 on: December 24, 2025, 11:04:22 PM »
How did the idea of a "folding chair" come into this thread?

Did Tina Towner mention it at some point during the past sixty-two years?

It’s entirely irrelevant. But Royell brought it up as an excuse to discount the timing of the Dorman frame. I think that I remember Tina mentioning the folding stool in her book. But it was just something that she noticed when viewing the Dorman film.
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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #65 on: December 24, 2025, 11:22:33 PM »
It’s entirely irrelevant. But Royell brought it up as an excuse to discount the timing of the frame

Did he create the idea of a folding chair out of thin air?

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2025, 11:26:30 PM »
Did he create the idea of a folding chair out of thin air?


No, it can clearly be seen in the Dorman film. It’s just the shadow that obscures it in the relevant frame. Royell’s objections don’t always make sense to me either.

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2025, 11:31:27 PM »

No, it can clearly be seen in the Dorman film. It’s just the shadow that obscures it in the relevant frame. Royell’s objections don’t always make sense to me either.

Okay, now I understand.

Thanks.

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2025, 11:40:33 PM »
      Towner said she was pulled to the ground after Shot #1 was fired. Her film shows the JFK Limo having passed the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter. If her story is true, it rules out Shot #1 being fired extremely early. Her story/film also disproves the 11+ seconds elapsed firing time for the 3 shots from the sniper's nest.     



That’s how it appears from Tina’s angle. A line of sight perpendicular to the travel on Elm Street at that point would show it before JFK gets to the sidewalk entrance.
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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #69 on: December 25, 2025, 07:10:42 AM »

  The Tina Towner story along with her film disproves the very early 1st shot.