Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Wrong again. It only means what TOWNER thought it means, and she absolutely DID NOT say that the "following shots/cracks" were different. You are making things up, again, and injecting your personal OPINION when it is totally uncalled for.

Towner said this: "As the first gunshot sounded I looked up at the buildings thinking somebody was throwing firecrackers out the window..but only a split second. I only had a split second before some stranger and I still don't know who it was pulled me down to the ground..."

And: "You were close to the gunshots. What did you think?

Towner: "I thought at first I thought it was firecrackers. I thought somebody was throwing firecrackers out of a window and I looked up for a split second and wasn't looking for anything specific but somebody pulled me down to the ground by my arm..a stranger and so I laid there on the ground and when he let go of my arm I wish I knew who this person was but I don't when he let go of my arm it was safe to get up and I reconnected with my parents...."

So she's standing and hears a shot. Then is pulled to the ground when/where she hears two more. It's obvious, isn't it?, that the sounds/volume would be different in those two different positions. Standing up vs. laying on the ground. Although, as you point out (and the interview above says), she didn't say this.

Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAESmcusUcI&t=2s

[Royell Storing]

Towner said this: "As the first gunshot sounded I looked up at the buildings thinking somebody was throwing firecrackers out the window but only a split second I only had a split second before some stranger and I still don't know who it was pulled me down to the ground..."

And: "You were close to the gunshots. What did you think?

Towner: "I thought at first I thought it was firecrackers. I thought somebody was throwing firecrackers out of a window and I looked up for a split second and wasn't looking for anything specific but somebody pulled me down to the ground by my arm..a stranger and so I laid there on the ground and when he let go of my arm I wish I knew who this person was but I don't when he let go of my arm it was safe to get up and I reconnected with my parents...."

So she's standing and hears a shot. Then is pulled to the ground when/where she hears two more. It's obvious, isn't it?, that the sounds/volume would be different in those two different positions. Standing up vs. laying on the ground. Although, as you point out (and the interview above says), she didn't say this.

Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAESmcusUcI&t=2s

   
    What about Max Holland claiming the elapsed firing time is 11+ seconds? Are you claiming that Towner was on the ground for somewhere close to 10 seconds? And heard shots 2 & 3 from that position? That is a very long time to be on the ground. Especially with her Mom right there.

[Tom Graves]

What about Max Holland['s] claiming the elapsed firing time was 11+ seconds?

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Why are you obsessed with Max Holland?

-- Tom

[Charles Collins]

Towner said this: "As the first gunshot sounded I looked up at the buildings thinking somebody was throwing firecrackers out the window but only a split second I only had a split second before some stranger and I still don't know who it was pulled me down to the ground..."

And: "You were close to the gunshots. What did you think?

Towner: "I thought at first I thought it was firecrackers. I thought somebody was throwing firecrackers out of a window and I looked up for a split second and wasn't looking for anything specific but somebody pulled me down to the ground by my arm..a stranger and so I laid there on the ground and when he let go of my arm I wish I knew who this person was but I don't when he let go of my arm it was safe to get up and I reconnected with my parents...."

So she's standing and hears a shot. Then is pulled to the ground when/where she hears two more. It's obvious, isn't it?, that the sounds/volume would be different in those two different positions. Standing up vs. laying on the ground. Although, as you point out (and the interview above says), she didn't say this.

Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAESmcusUcI&t=2s

Steve, here is a frame from Dorman’s film that shows Tina Towner (circled in yellow) standing and looking down Elm Street in the direction of the Limo. (Edit: Tina’s hair appears to be flying outwards in all directions as if she had just spun her head around, perhaps from the TSBD to the limo.) This Dorman frame was taken just before Z313. It appears to me that Tina must have been pulled down immediately after the first shot and perhaps held down for a few seconds but had gotten back up by the time of the third shot at Z313. I can imagine that being held down for only a couple of seconds might seem like an eternity to a 13-year old under those circumstances.



By the way, the crouching figure circled in green appears (to me) to be Brennan looking up towards the sniper’s nest.

[Royell Storing]

Steve, here is a frame from Dorman’s film that shows Tina Towner (circled in yellow) standing and looking down Elm Street in the direction of the Limo. (Edit: Tina’s hair appears to be flying outwards in all directions as if she had just spun her head around, perhaps from the TSBD to the limo.) This Dorman frame was taken just before Z313. It appears to me that Tina must have been pulled down immediately after the first shot and perhaps held down for a few seconds but had gotten back up by the time of the third shot at Z313. I can imagine that being held down for only a couple of seconds might seem like an eternity to a 13-year old under those circumstances.



By the way, the crouching figure circled in green appears (to me) to be Brennan looking up towards the sniper’s nest.

   I do Not see the folding chair that was sitting on the curb/close to the Towner's. The absence of that chair being on the curb, or anyone carrying that chair, warrants being factored into the time stamping of this Dorman still frame. 

[Charles Collins]

   I do Not see the folding chair that was sitting on the curb/close to the Towner's. The absence of that chair being on the curb, or anyone carrying that chair, warrants being factored into the time stamping of this Dorman still frame.

It’s there but difficult to discern due to the shadow. I circled it in yellow.

[Tom Graves]

It’s there but difficult to discern due to the shadow. I circled it in yellow.

How did the idea of a "folding chair" come into this thread?

Did Tina Towner mention it at some point during the past sixty-two years?

[Royell Storing]

Steve, here is a frame from Dorman’s film that shows Tina Towner (circled in yellow) standing and looking down Elm Street in the direction of the Limo. (Edit: Tina’s hair appears to be flying outwards in all directions as if she had just spun her head around, perhaps from the TSBD to the limo.) This Dorman frame was taken just before Z313. It appears to me that Tina must have been pulled down immediately after the first shot and perhaps held down for a few seconds but had gotten back up by the time of the third shot at Z313. I can imagine that being held down for only a couple of seconds might seem like an eternity to a 13-year old under those circumstances.



By the way, the crouching figure circled in green appears (to me) to be Brennan looking up towards the sniper’s nest.

      Towner said she was pulled to the ground after Shot #1 was fired. Her film shows the JFK Limo having passed the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter. If her story is true, it rules out Shot #1 being fired extremely early. Her story/film also disproves the 11+ seconds elapsed firing time for the 3 shots from the sniper's nest.