Towner3 Fence Man Identity

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Offline James Hackerott

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2023, 07:50:38 PM »

James has her positioned two steps down from the level that the man is standing. That’s probably in the neighborhood of 16”. James could likely tell us exactly what the height difference is. Also, if the camera elevation is lower than the man’s head (again James can probably tell us this) and the man is not flat up against the back wall of the pergola, then using the back window level as a gauge would make the man appear taller than he actually is. Perspectives in photography can be misleading due to trying to depict 3D on a one-dimensional photograph.
The cement pedestal is 22.4" above the pavement. Two steps down would be about 11".

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2023, 09:28:42 PM »
Yes, the further moving down the steps absolutely allows her to see more around the side of the pergola. I said nothing about peering over the fence.

   The guy/kid on the fence is DIRECTLY FACING the fence. If that figure has a belt buckle, it would be dead center/facing the fence. The head/face is Not turned as if peering around anything. This image does Not show anything to indicate the head is turned as if peering left or right around the Pergola. 

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2023, 09:34:10 PM »

I am not so sure that it isn’t a shoulder strap over his left shoulder with the camera case on his right. Did Zapruder have a camera case with a shoulder strap with him that day?



    If you are claiming this is a shoulder strap, are you also claiming the shoulder strap is wider than Zapruder's Bow Tie L-R? That this alleged strap completely covers an alleged Bow Tie?  There is Zero trace of a Bow Tie at the neck level on Towner 3.
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Offline James Hackerott

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2023, 01:17:11 AM »
   The guy/kid on the fence is DIRECTLY FACING the fence. If that figure has a belt buckle, it would be dead center/facing the fence. The head/face is Not turned as if peering around anything. This image does Not show anything to indicate the head is turned as if peering left or right around the Pergola.
Okay, but where was she looking say a second or more before or after Towner took the shot? Toward her right, or why else assume that posture?

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2023, 02:09:21 AM »
    If you are claiming this is a shoulder strap, are you also claiming the shoulder strap is wider than Zapruder's Bow Tie L-R? That this alleged strap completely covers an alleged Bow Tie?  There is Zero trace of a Bow Tie at the neck level on Towner 3.


The clarity of that photo doesn’t allow us to see every detail. If it did, I believe we could see Zapruder’s face. And Mark Tyler identifies this figure (46) as Zapruder in his “Motorcade 63” animation. He shows Towner3 being taken at 12:31:47.




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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2023, 02:17:04 AM »
James, based on Mark Tyler’s animation, and the movements he indicates, of Sitzman/Zapruder (46), it is looking to me more likely that you have identified Sitzman in Towner3. One of us should consider contacting Mark Tyler and make him aware of this finding. He might be interested in adding it to his animation…

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2023, 02:54:15 AM »
      Several reasons this is Not Sitzman. For starters, just look at your own model. Sitzman is tall enough standing on that 2nd step to already see over the picket fence. Why would she then be BENDING OVER at the waist?
She is not only able to look over the fence, but also beyond the pergola shelter into more of the parking area. The further she moves down the steps the more she could see in that area.
 
Also, why would she have her left arm extended straight out/perpendicular to her body?
Balance?
 Contorting Sitzman's body into this "Twister" position is not natural.
There is nothing unnatural about that "Twister" slur.

 And what happened to her scarf that runs down her back?
Over her right shoulder.

    For starters, "Twister" is a Milton Bradley GAME. Not sure where your mind went to arrive at the "slur"  BS:  And both the steps and the abutment are plenty Wide. Nobody should need to extend their arm(s) to maintain their balance while atop either of these.