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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2023, 02:56:52 AM »
Okay, but where was she looking say a second or more before or after Towner took the shot? Toward her right, or why else assume that posture?

    Exactly! There is no reason for a person to be in this physical position if they were standing on a step or the abutment. That person on Towner 3 is physically on/in contact with the picket fence.
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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2023, 03:16:32 AM »
James, based on Mark Tyler’s animation, and the movements he indicates, of Sitzman/Zapruder (46), it is looking to me more likely that you have identified Sitzman in Towner3. One of us should consider contacting Mark Tyler and make him aware of this finding. He might be interested in adding it to his animation…

    These are the egregious errors that permeate this case. Sitzman several times has said she got down off the Zapruder Perch and IMMEDIATELY went down the knoll and talked with a couple guys she thought were G Men. She then came back up the Knoll and talked with another man that DID ID himself as a G Man. You think she did all of this in UNDER 2 Minutes?? So just what are you gonna do? Believe her as to what she did, or blindly rubber stamp a diagram? The recklessly assigned time lines in this case continue dogging it. And this includes the rubber stamping of Motorcycle Officer Haygood as being the cop behind Officer Roger Craig on the Darnell Film. That ain't Haygood. His timeline as verified in his WC Testimony rules him out.
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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2023, 12:17:59 PM »
    These are the egregious errors that permeate this case. Sitzman several times has said she got down off the Zapruder Perch and IMMEDIATELY went down the knoll and talked with a couple guys she thought were G Men. She then came back up the Knoll and talked with another man that DID ID himself as a G Man. You think she did all of this in UNDER 2 Minutes?? So just what are you gonna do? Believe her as to what she did, or blindly rubber stamp a diagram? The recklessly assigned time lines in this case continue dogging it. And this includes the rubber stamping of Motorcycle Officer Haygood as being the cop behind Officer Roger Craig on the Darnell Film. That ain't Haygood. His timeline as verified in his WC Testimony rules him out.

No one is blindly accepting anything. The photographic record appears to me to show Sitzman where James indicates. The more likely scenario is that Sitzman was photographed in Towner3 as she began her journey down the knoll via the sidewalk and steps.

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2023, 01:31:25 PM »
No one is blindly accepting anything. The photographic record appears to me to show Sitzman where James indicates. The more likely scenario is that Sitzman was photographed in Towner3 as she began her journey down the knoll via the sidewalk and steps.

    As I said, Sitzman said after getting down from the Zapruder Perch she IMMEDIATELY went down the knoll. The only way she could be standing on a step or abutment would mean she had to of instead: (1) Entered the shelter, (2) Exited the shelter via a different entrance (3) Walk down the cement walkway, and (4) Walk down The Steps while also passing Emmitt Hudson. Sitzman did Not mention doing ANY of this.
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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2023, 02:07:57 PM »
    As I said, Sitzman said after getting down from the Zapruder Perch she IMMEDIATELY went down the knoll. The only way she could be standing on a step or abutment would mean she had to of instead: (1) Entered the shelter, (2) Exited the shelter via a different entrance (3) Walk down the cement walkway, and (4) Walk down The Steps while also passing Emmitt Hudson. Sitzman did Not mention doing ANY of this.


Yeah, and the SS Agents in the Queen Mary all said they reacted IMMEDIATELY. But the photographic records indicate otherwise. And an apparently similar situation with Victoria Adams. When the physical evidence contradicts the witnesses memories, I tend to believe the physical evidence.

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2023, 03:06:50 PM »

Yeah, and the SS Agents in the Queen Mary all said they reacted IMMEDIATELY. But the photographic records indicate otherwise. And an apparently similar situation with Victoria Adams. When the physical evidence contradicts the witnesses memories, I tend to believe the physical evidence.

    With regard to Sitzman, we are talking about a Sequence Of Events that YOU are claiming she made. Sitzman NEVER Mentioned doing any of the stuff that YOU are attaching to her. Sure, the internal "time clock" that a person has can be a legit issue, but their recollection of their PHYSICAL ACTS/MOVEMENT are an entirely different matter. And there is NO Photographic or Physical Evidence putting Sitzman on The Cement Walkway, or The Steps. NONE. This is ALL speculation by YOU

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2023, 03:28:44 PM »
James, based on Mark Tyler’s animation, and the movements he indicates, of Sitzman/Zapruder (46), it is looking to me more likely that you have identified Sitzman in Towner3. One of us should consider contacting Mark Tyler and make him aware of this finding. He might be interested in adding it to his animation…
If you contact Mark that is okay with me, I’d prefer that. I don’t have his database handy. Does he have times for any of the Skaggs photos? In particular #09, which has Sitzman and Mrs. Hester near Elm sidewalk at the pergola steps.