Towner3 Fence Man Identity

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2023, 03:30:17 PM »
    With regard to Sitzman, we are talking about a Sequence Of Events that YOU are claiming she made. Sitzman NEVER Mentioned doing any of the stuff that YOU are attaching to her. Sure, the internal "time clock" that a person has can be a legit issue, but their recollection of their PHYSICAL ACTS/MOVEMENT are an entirely different matter. And there is NO Photographic or Physical Evidence putting Sitzman on The Cement Walkway, or The Steps. NONE. This is ALL speculation by YOU



Altgens photographed Sitzman and Zapruder as they left their perch and were entering the pergola:  http://host.madison.com/tncms/asset/editorial/20e4e9eb-6b58-53d7-a9d3-b6c7f42cb620/


Towner3 shows the two of them just moments later. It appears that Sitzman has gotten curious and is looking back towards the parking area/TSBD. It stands to reason that Sitzman could have stayed on the concrete walkways and steps. Women, and their typical concerns about their shoes, makes this a logical theory. Speculation? Sure, but with reasons.

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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2023, 03:37:37 PM »
If you contact Mark that is okay with me, I’d prefer that. I don’t have his database handy. Does he have times for any of the Skaggs photos? In particular #09, which has Sitzman and Mrs. Hester near Elm sidewalk at the pergola steps.
 



I will see if I can find the photo in question timed on Tyler’s animation. I did email Mark a while back and he responded cordially. I should be able to contact him again.

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2023, 03:40:27 PM »


Altgens photographed Sitzman and Zapruder as they left their perch and were entering the pergola:  http://host.madison.com/tncms/asset/editorial/20e4e9eb-6b58-53d7-a9d3-b6c7f42cb620/


Towner3 shows the two of them just moments later. It appears that Sitzman has gotten curious and is looking back towards the parking area/TSBD. It stands to reason that Sitzman could have stayed on the concrete walkways and steps. Women, and their typical concerns about their shoes, makes this a logical theory. Speculation? Sure, but with reasons.


Also, if you look closely at the Altgens photo, you can see the camera case strap in the same position that I suggested earlier in this thread regarding the man in question in Towner3.

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2023, 04:07:03 PM »
This Bond pic shows Sitzman stood in the alcove immediately after the shooting:




Also in this pic we see the Hesters beginning to move towards the alcove area

[Note to Royell - this pic proves Sitzman didn't run down the Knoll immediately after the shooting. Thumb1:]
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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2023, 05:02:19 PM »
If you contact Mark that is okay with me, I’d prefer that. I don’t have his database handy. Does he have times for any of the Skaggs photos? In particular #09, which has Sitzman and Mrs. Hester near Elm sidewalk at the pergola steps.
 


James, the Skaggs photo that I find in the Mark Tyler animation during the immediate aftermath of the shooting is Skaggs6. And Mark shows the time as 12:31:52.




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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2023, 05:47:08 PM »

James, the Skaggs photo that I find in the Mark Tyler animation during the immediate aftermath of the shooting is Skaggs6. And Mark shows the time as 12:31:52.


Okay, his slide #7 seems to be taken in the general area of his #6. His #8 is a closeup of a MC officer with two other men somewhere in the parking area that I can’t figure out where exactly. Then #9 was taken around the top of the knoll steps. #9 has Sitzman in a well developed crowd.  So, maybe around 2-3 minutes after his #6. I just don’t know how long it took the crowd to develop.

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2023, 06:15:13 PM »
Okay, his slide #7 seems to be taken in the general area of his #6. His #8 is a closeup of a MC officer with two other men somewhere in the parking area that I can’t figure out where exactly. Then #9 was taken around the top of the knoll steps. #9 has Sitzman in a well developed crowd.  So, maybe around 2-3 minutes after his #6. I just don’t know how long it took the crowd to develop.


Here’s a link to the Skaggs9 photo at the Sixth Floor Museum online collection:

https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/22059/color-slide?ctx=5baa19f93203d15c4b45f41fce37ed6ca821a0ac&idx=8

I will try to locate Sitzman and Hester in the photo. I certainly do believe that it was taken several minutes after the shooting. There’s an oral history available from SFM that might shed some light on this aspect.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2023, 06:16:15 PM by Charles Collins »