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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #224 on: September 02, 2023, 08:12:41 AM »
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Have you even decided whether or not Oswald was wearing a jacket when he left the rooming house?

Lol, I don't get to 'decide' what Mr. Oswald was wearing as he left the rooming house. He does.

What does the scanty evidence available to us suggest? That IF he was wearing a jacket it was not light-colored a la CE162

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Online Zeon Mason

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« Reply #225 on: September 02, 2023, 07:47:58 PM »
They showed Whaley the taxi driver both the CE 162 ( light gray) jacket and the CE 163 (dark blue) jacket and Whaley said that Oswald was wearing BOTH jackets !?

Whaley must have been totally confused, lying, or some  other man than Lee Harvey Oswald got into his taxi, because CE 162 was the jacket that was at Oswalds boarding house , and CE 163 , the dark blue jacket , was LEFT by Oswald in the Domino room ( where it was found a month after the tragic event,)

So whatever jacket(s) that Whaley thinks he saw were NOT jackets that Oswald could have been wearing , IF Oswald owned ONLY the 2 jackets , CE 162 and CE 163.

That is , IF there were no nefarious relocating both these jackets after the fact similar  to the rearrangement of boxes in the SN, and the various paper bag locations and the 3 shells tossed on the floor, failure to document chain of custody etc.


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« Reply #226 on: September 02, 2023, 10:35:06 PM »
It proves a lot John.

Oswald was seen zipping up his jacket as he left the rooming house.
A short distance away he was seen at the Tippit crime scene killing Tippit with a gun and wearing a jacket.
Oswald who was trying to alter his appearance after killing Tippit was seen entering a car park where his jacket was found.

Your speculative guess about what Oswald was “trying” to do is not proof of anything.

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Oswald was seen not wearing a jacket while passing Johnny Brewer and at the front of the Texas Theater Oswald was not wearing his jacket.

Proving what, exactly?

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Oswald was arrested with the same gun which exclusively matched the shells Oswald was seen discarding at the Tippit crime scene.

LOL.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #227 on: September 02, 2023, 10:42:03 PM »
And off into Unicorn land we go....
That didn't take you too long.
Rather than some long, drawn out, tiresome reveal, why not cut to the chase and directly explain what this means.
Start off with the "him" Brewer sees.

This is the point at which we always go off into LN-La-La-land. It’s just presumed that Brewer is correct and Burroughs and Davis are not. As if there is anything that makes his claims automatically true.

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #228 on: September 03, 2023, 12:18:48 AM »
I've seen the jacket.  It is a nondescript color that could be characterized in different ways depending on the circumstances.  Grasping at straws to avoid the obvious conclusion that Oswald ditched the jacket to change his appearance after murdering Tippit is weak sauce.

I have also seen the jacket and there is no way that witnesses could describe it as being dark, never mind the circumstances.

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Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #229 on: September 04, 2023, 12:47:53 AM »
This is the point at which we always go off into LN-La-La-land. It’s just presumed that Brewer is correct and Burroughs and Davis are not. As if there is anything that makes his claims automatically true.

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Brewer describes this suspicious looking guy outside his shop and police sirens out on the street. The man walks towards the Theater and Brewer goes out and sees him enter the cinema. He goes up to Postal and asks if the man bought a ticket. Postal confirms this in her WC testimony. Brewer decides to go in and asks Burroughs to help him check the exits. Burroughs confirms this in his WC testimony.
In their WC testimonies both Postal and Burroughs confirm key parts of Brewer's testimony regarding following Oswald into the cinema.
What's the issue?

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« Reply #230 on: September 04, 2023, 06:22:38 AM »
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Brewer describes this suspicious looking guy outside his shop and police sirens out on the street. The man walks towards the Theater and Brewer goes out and sees him enter the cinema. He goes up to Postal and asks if the man bought a ticket. Postal confirms this in her WC testimony. Brewer decides to go in and asks Burroughs to help him check the exits. Burroughs confirms this in his WC testimony.
In their WC testimonies both Postal and Burroughs confirm key parts of Brewer's testimony regarding following Oswald into the cinema.
What's the issue?

Five issues:

- Brewer didn’t see anybody enter the cinema. The doors weren’t visible from his position.
- Postal didn’t see anybody enter the cinema. She was out on the sidewalk looking west on Jefferson.
- Brewer didn’t immediately go talk to Postal. He went back into his store and talked to the IBM men first.
- Postal told both Brewer and the FBI that she wasn’t sure if she sold the man a ticket or not.
- Just because Brewer thought the man he saw was Oswald, doesn’t mean that the man he saw was Oswald, anymore than the man that Burroughs saw or the man that Jack Davis saw.

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #231 on: September 04, 2023, 11:15:03 AM »
- Brewer didn’t see anybody enter the cinema. The doors weren’t visible from his position.
- Postal didn’t see anybody enter the cinema. She was out on the sidewalk looking west on Jefferson.
- Brewer didn’t immediately go talk to Postal. He went back into his store and talked to the IBM men first.
- Postal told both Brewer and the FBI that she wasn’t sure if she sold the man a ticket or not.

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So Mr. Brewer sees a man acting suspiciously outside his shoe store. He then sees the man go down the street and turn into the recessed front entrance of the Texas Theatre. He then goes back to the shoe store and gets his two IBM buddies to lock up for him so he can check out the man. He then goes to the Texas Theatre and asks Ms. Postal did she just see a man enter without paying. She, understanding him to mean someone other than anyone who might have entered earlier than within the last couple of minutes or so, says no.

OK. At this point, Mr. Brewer cannot know whether the man actually entered the cinema or not. As Mr. Brewer didn't have his eye on the entrance the whole time (return to shoe store), it's quite possible the man only ducked into the recessed entrance momentarily before going back out on the street (just as he did with the shoe store).

Dialogue with Ms. Postal and Mr. Burroughs only increases the probability of this latter scenario. Neither saw this man whom Mr. Brewer is convinced entered the cinema.

But Mr. Brewer doesn't let up.

He gets Mr. Burroughs to help him check out the patrons in the balcony and out on the main floor. Mr. Brewer fails to see the man, despite the fact that the cinema is only sparsely populated.

But Mr. Brewer doesn't let up.

He gets Ms. Postal to CALL THE COPS, and then gets Mr. Burroughs to help him guard the exits. He now has no good reason to believe that the suspicious man did actually enter the cinema beyond the recessed front entrance lobby, but he's convinced this man is connected to the shooting of an officer in Oak Cliff, and so he wants to be absolutely sure.

Why does he believe this? Because, just before seeing the man acting suspiciously outside his shoe store, he heard the officer's killer described on radio, and the suspicious man at the shoe store matched the description.

Only one problem: Mr. Brewer almost certainly never heard any such radio broadcast.

And out of all this half-baked suspicioning on the part of Mr. Brewer, we get the Dallas police swarming on the Texas Theatre.

What must have run through the minds of Ms. Postal and Mr. Burroughs when they saw arrested-------as the man who had ducked into the cinema just before the man from the shoe store turned up--------a man whom they both knew had entered the cinema many minutes earlier than that?

The names of the other patrons in the cinema were taken by police afterwards, but there was little or no follow up. We still don't know the names of most of these crucial eyewitnesses.

Thanks to Mr. Jack Davis, we know why: Mr. Oswald entered the cinema many minutes before the Brewer 'sighting', and sat beside one patron after another. He was there to meet a contact.

As for Mr. Brewer, this critically important witness whose heroic civic-minded super-vigilance led to Mr. Oswald's capture, his first official statement on the affair was not taken until two weeks after the assassination.

And his two IBM buddies were never identified, let alone questioned.

LN-La-La-Land indeed
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