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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #456 on: September 21, 2022, 02:39:02 PM »
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If the Box that was removed was laying ON THE FLOOR and was between 2 other boxes then the void space should be a rectangle.

As it appears to me the void space is quadrangle (2sides  are NOT 90 degrees)and the area of this void  is NOT large enough for a box of equal dimensions to the other 2 boxes to have been in that void unless the box adjacent which is not at 90 angle was moved or adjusted after the one box was lifted vertically  up and out.

It’s starting to look to me like this rifle photo area was “arranged” much as the SN was arranged and reconfigured several times.

Studebaker made his precision plat of the sixth floor before anybody realized that If the rifle was found well hidden beneath boxes of books  15' 4" south of the north wall and 5 ' from the west wall then that location exonerated Lee Oswald.   

Lee Oswald wouldn't have had enough time after the shooting to hide the rifle in he location and manner that it was found.   After the rifle was found and while waiting for Captain Fritz ( the officer in command at the scene) to arrive in the NW corner of the sixth floor the searchers discussed the find among themselves..... They speculated on the manufacturer of the rifle and marveled at how well the rifle had been hidden. Tom Alyea noted that the site must have been prepared BEFORE the shooting so the assassin could dash through the area and hide the rifle quickly before he fled the sixth floor.   Nobody knew at that time that the accused assassin Lee Oswald would not have had enough time to hide the rifle, 15' 4" from the north wall ( 4 feet south of the E/W aisle )  6 feet south from the top of the stairs) and 5 feet from the west wall.      After DPD chief Curry publicly announced to reporters, that one of his officers (Marrion Baker)  had encountered Lee Harrrrrvey Osssswald ( hiss) calmly drinking a coke in the second floor lunchroom just a couple of minutes after he shot the president, they were stuck .    Because they knew damned well that Lee wouldn't have had enough time to hide that rifle in the place and manner in which it had been found by Weitzman and Boone, so they were forced to place the rifle in a place that made the tale plausible ..... Thus they got the rifle back from the FBI and used it to stage fake photos of the rifle at a place that could have been reached by Lee Oswald as he fled. ( He had not fled...he wasn't even there)
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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #457 on: September 21, 2022, 05:02:39 PM »
Studebaker made his precision plat of the sixth floor before anybody realized that If the rifle was found well hidden beneath boxes of books  15' 4" south of the north wall and 5 ' from the west wall then that location exonerated Lee Oswald.   

Lee Oswald wouldn't have had enough time after the shooting to hide the rifle in he location and manner that it was found.   After the rifle was found and while waiting for Captain Fritz ( the officer in command at the scene) to arrive in the NW corner of the sixth floor the searchers discussed the find among themselves..... They speculated on the manufacturer of the rifle and marveled at how well the rifle had been hidden. Tom Alyea noted that the site must have been prepared BEFORE the shooting so the assassin could dash through the area and hide the rifle quickly before he fled the sixth floor.   Nobody knew at that time that the accused assassin Lee Oswald would not have had enough time to hide the rifle, 15' 4" from the north wall ( 4 feet south of the E/W aisle )  6 feet south from the top of the stairs) and 5 feet from the west wall.      After DPD chief Curry publicly announced to reporters, that one of his officers (Marrion Baker)  had encountered Lee Harrrrrvey Osssswald ( hiss) calmly drinking a coke in the second floor lunchroom just a couple of minutes after he shot the president, they were stuck .    Because they knew damned well that Lee wouldn't have had enough time to hide that rifle in the place and manner in which it had been found by Weitzman and Boone, so they were forced to place the rifle in a place that made the tale plausible ..... Thus they got the rifle back from the FBI and used it to stage fake photos of the rifle at a place that could have been reached by Lee Oswald as he fled. ( He had not fled...he wasn't even there)

The problem with this scenario, which has been pointed out about a dozen times already, is the Tom Alyea footge.
Below is a pic TAKEN FROM TOM ALYEA'S FOOTAGE that shows the rifle in the upright position, exactly where it is photographed by the DPD Crime Lab.
How is it possible Alyea could capture this image if it wasn't where the rifle was originally discovered?

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #458 on: September 21, 2022, 05:11:24 PM »
The problem with this scenario, which has been pointed out about a dozen times already, is the Tom Alyea footge.
Below is a pic TAKEN FROM TOM ALYEA'S FOOTAGE that shows the rifle in the upright position, exactly where it is photographed by the DPD Crime Lab.
How is it possible Alyea could capture this image if it wasn't where the rifle was originally discovered?



You believe that is Tom Alya's film...... And you can believe what ever supports your ideas.....

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« Reply #458 on: September 21, 2022, 05:11:24 PM »


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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #459 on: September 21, 2022, 05:22:56 PM »
You believe that is Tom Alya's film...... And you can believe what ever supports your ideas.....

Yes Walt, the still is from Tom Alyea's footage.
Obviously it is something that was shown on the History Channel but here's the footage it was taken from:


It starts off with Fritz entering the rifle enclosure and then we see the shot of the rifle at Fritz's feet.
Do you now agree the pic is from the Alyea footage?

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #460 on: September 21, 2022, 05:43:57 PM »
Yes Walt, the still is from Tom Alyea's footage.
Obviously it is something that was shown on the History Channel but here's the footage it was taken from:


It starts off with Fritz entering the rifle enclosure and then we see the shot of the rifle at Fritz's feet.
Do you now agree the pic is from the Alyea footage?

At the 0:22 point of the video, the pillar can be seen BEHIND Fritz.....   Detective Day is holding the rifle by the leather strap, and he's standing a couple of feet away from Fritz....  Studebaker's plat shows the rifle pointing east and about seven feet from that pillar.

I believe Tom Alyea's film has been tampered with and shows the rifle standing...  Studebaker depicted the rifle as lying on it's left side, 15' 4" from the north wall....if the rifle had been in the position as seen in the official  in situ photo (CE 514 ) the rifle would have been 14 feet from the north wall and about 11 feet from the west wall.   

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« Reply #461 on: September 21, 2022, 05:58:17 PM »
At the 0:22 point of the video, the pillar can be seen BEHIND Fritz.....   Detective Day is holding the rifle by the leather strap, and he's standing a couple of feet away from Fritz....  Studebaker's plat shows the rifle pointing east and about seven feet from that pillar.

I believe Tom Alyea's film has been tampered with and shows the rifle standing...  Studebaker depicted the rifle as lying on it's left side, 15' 4" from the north wall....if the rifle had been in the position as seen in the official  in situ photo (CE 514 ) the rifle would have been 14 feet from the north wall and about 11 feet from the west wall.   

So you do now agree the still picture I posted was taken from the original Tom Alyea footage but you now believe the footage was tampered with to show the rifle in the upright position? Is that correct?

At the 0:22 point of the video, the pillar can be seen BEHIND Fritz.....

Of course it can be seen behind Fritz!
This is exactly where we would expect it to be seen if Studebaker's plat is correct.



Red "A" is roughly Alyea's position
Red F is roughly Fritz's position

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #462 on: September 21, 2022, 06:16:41 PM »
So you do now agree the still picture I posted was taken from the original Tom Alyea footage but you now believe the footage was tampered with to show the rifle in the upright position? Is that correct?

At the 0:22 point of the video, the pillar can be seen BEHIND Fritz.....

Of course it can be seen behind Fritz!
This is exactly where we would expect it to be seen if Studebaker's plat is correct.



Red "A" is roughly Alyea's position
Red F is roughly Fritz's position



The east side of the stairs is 4 feet from the west wall   ....Draw a line from that east stairway wall to the rifle ....the butt of the rifle is about 4 feet from the east   WEST wall and 15' 4" from the north wall ..... The pillar is 13 feet from the west wall and 13 feet from the north wall.   

The e/w row of boxes that formed the aisle at the top of the stairs   was 13 feet from the north wall.... Which means that Lee would have had to reach across 2 feet four inches and down about 18 inches to insert the rifle into a gap that he could not see  between
the boxes.....
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« Reply #463 on: September 21, 2022, 06:48:00 PM »
So you do now agree the still picture I posted was taken from the original Tom Alyea footage but you now believe the footage was tampered with to show the rifle in the upright position? Is that correct?

At the 0:22 point of the video, the pillar can be seen BEHIND Fritz.....

Of course it can be seen behind Fritz!
This is exactly where we would expect it to be seen if Studebaker's plat is correct.



Red "A" is roughly Alyea's position
Red F is roughly Fritz's position

So you do now agree the still picture I posted was taken from the original Tom Alyea footage but you now believe the footage was tampered with to show the rifle in the upright position? Is that correct?

Yes, But it's no sudden revelation.....  I've always believed the Tom Alyea footage.... Which shows detective Day reaching out to pick up the rifle that is lying on it's side.....   The film from the official propaganda channel ( sometimes called he History channel ) has CE 514 inserted into the Alyea film.