Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

[Rick Plant]

Nice work Dan, but it has all been viewed before. You don't need to do any research, just read back a few pages in the thread and you will see why this post is completely wrong. The Stroud document is a joke. Styles and Adams did not leave as quickly as they thought they did.

 

You call the Stroud Document a joke. Based on what....your own personal opinion?

And it's only your opinion that "Styles and Adams did not leave as quickly as they thought they did".

No facts presented here.   

[Alan Ford]

Many thanks to you and Dan. By making false claims and posting dubious evidence and completely failing to provide a legitimate supported alternative scenario, it only served to prove the official WC conclusions are the correct ones.

Finish the sentence for us, Mr Nessan:

Officer Barnett could not possibly have been the police officer Ms Adams & Ms Styles encountered behind the Depository because...................................

 

[Rick Plant]

Friends, let us be clear about what Mr Piper is actually telling us when he uses these words: "he [Mr Truly] ran up on up the steps with this police officer--him and another fellow and I was standing there and the people began swarming out and around--different ones coming in, but it was where nobody could come out"

These words make ZERO sense if applied to the rear area of the first floor.

They make sense ONLY if applied to the front of the first floor.

At the time Mr Piper saw Mr Truly and Officer Baker go up the stairs, he was facing and looking at the front lobby/entrance.

After seeing Mr Truly and Officer Baker run up the stairs, he was still standing there, i.e. in the same place-------a place that offered a clear line of sight to the front lobby/entrance

He saw people already outside who were swarming out and around towards the street

He saw some people (after Truly/officer had left) coming in through the front door

But it was where no one could come out from the inside front of the building to the outside that lay beyond the glass door-------------because Mr Piper would have noticed them.



And we can now make sense of this:

Mr. BALL. Did you ever see Vicki Adams come down the steps?
Mr. PIPER. No, sir; I don't know about that, if she said she did, it was after I got over here and walked over to the back door.
Mr. BALL. Did Vicki Adams come down before Truly and the man went up the steps?
Mr. PIPER. No, sir, no, sir; she didn't do it.

Mr Piper is stating that he never saw Ms Adams come down the front stairway, though he is allowing for the possibility that she may indeed have come down it after he moved away and went to the back of the first floor



 

Great point Mr. Ford and one that's rarely brought up.

[Alan Ford]

Great point Mr. Ford and one that's rarely brought up.

Thanking you kindly, Mr Plant! 

Mr Piper's claimed vantage point for the P. Parade--------------one of the 'windows' at the front of the first floor--------------would have been credible if the assassination had happened the previous year:



I believe Mr Piper watched the P. Parade from inside the building vestibule.

Here's what he told the Sheriff's Dept.:



Here's what he told the FBI:



Notice the use here of "standing" (not sitting). There was but one set of south-facing windows worthy of the name on the first floor. And to see out of there, especially with a crowd of people on the steps, one had to be standing up.



Mr Piper was, in short, in the perfect place to see Officer Baker and Mr Truly come running in and go up the FRONT stairs. And the perfect place to see Mr Oswald step outside to watch the P. Parade.

His witnessing of these things was disastrous to the official story. Hence his need to pretend to have watched the motorcade from somewhere else. Unfortunately, he chose for that somewhere else----------a blind spot!

 

[Alan Ford]

Thanking you kindly, Mr Plant! 

Mr Piper's claimed vantage point for the P. Parade--------------one of the 'windows' at the front of the first floor--------------would have been credible if the assassination had happened the previous year:



I believe Mr Piper watched the P. Parade from just inside the front door.

Here's what he told the Sheriff's Dept.:



Here's what he told the FBI:



He was in the perfect place to see Officer Baker and Mr Truly come running in and go up the FRONT stairs. And the perfect place to see Mr Oswald go outside to watch the P. Parade.

Hence his need to pretend to have watched the motorcade from somewhere else. Unfortunately, he chose for that somewhere else----------a blind spot!

 

This might also explain Mr Bill Shelley's oddly well-informed response to Mr Ball here:

Mr. BALL - When you came into the shipping room did you see anybody?
Mr. SHELLEY - I saw Eddie Piper.
Mr. BALL - What was he doing?
Mr. SHELLEY - He was coming back from where he was watching the motorcade in the southwest corner of the shipping room.
Mr. BALL - Of the first floor of the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.

Some five minutes after the assassination, Mr Piper finally leaves his 'window'?

We believe you, Mr Shelley. We really do! 

[Alan Ford]

In fact, it is quite possible that Mr Piper sat on the west radiator eating his lunch awaiting the motorcade, then stood up to see what he could of Pres. Kennedy passing, then sat back down. If so, then he may well be a background figure behind the glass in Darnell, blending into Prayer Man's form............

 

[Alan Ford]

If Mr Piper is sitting on that west radiator, then Prayer Man's body may actually be facing forward rather than to the side, with his arms folded---------and what folks have taken to be Prayer Man's left elbow/arm is in fact a piece of Mr Piper behind the glass