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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2022, 02:28:14 AM »
It's absolutely incredible that anybody who has studied the evidence connected with the JFK and Tippit murders, even a conspiracy theorist named Martin Weidmann, could actually say (and believe) the things I just quoted above.

Martin apparently thinks that the things Lee Oswald did on both November 21st and 22nd were just ordinary things that Oswald did every day -- things such as:

....Taking a bulky package to work with him and lying (twice) to Buell Frazier about the contents of that package.

....Walking several blocks east of the TSBD just minutes after a Presidential assassination in order to catch a bus.

....Getting off the bus just a few minutes after boarding it and then getting into a taxicab to take him to his roominghouse.

....And then having the cab driver take him three blocks beyond his real destination, so that he'll have to backtrack the three-block distance on foot.

....Dashing in and out of his room on Beckley in order to grab his .38 revolver.

....Murdering a Dallas police officer about 15 minutes after hurriedly leaving his roominghouse.

....Sneaking into the Texas Theater without buying the cheap ticket.

....Fighting with the police and attempting to shoot one of them in the theater after merely being told to "get on your feet" by Officer McDonald.

....Making multiple provably false statements to the police after his arrest.

Just a ho-hum Friday in the dull life of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Right, Martin?

Martin will very likely now go into "None Of That Stuff You Just Talked About Can Possibly Be Verified And Confirmed By Anybody Because I Think Everybody In Dallas Was Trying To Pin The Murders On Only Oswald" mode.

And 'round and 'round we go. (Yet again.)

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....Taking a bulky package to work with him and lying (twice) to Buell Frazier about the contents of that package.

And, if true, that would be evidence of what, exactly?

....Walking several blocks east of the TSBD just minutes after a Presidential assassination in order to catch a bus.

Speculation. Nobody saw him walking anywhere. And again, what is this evidence of, exactly?

....Getting off the bus just a few minutes after boarding it and then getting into a taxicab to take him to his roominghouse.

Cool story. Again, what is this evidence of, exactly?

....And then having the cab driver take him three blocks beyond his real destination, so that he'll have to backtrack the three-block distance on foot.

Wow, that's conclusive proof of........... just give me a minute, I'll think of something.

....Dashing in and out of his room on Beckley in order to grab his .38 revolver.

Wow, dashing in and out of his room is somehow evidence of guilt? And how in the world do you even know he grabbed a revolver?

....Murdering a Dallas police officer about 15 minutes after hurriedly leaving his roominghouse.

Actually the Dallas police officer was already murdered before Oswald could have gotten there, if he ever did get there.
You are assuming "facts" that are not proven to prove a "fact" that you can not prove.

....Sneaking into the Texas Theater without buying the cheap ticket.

Oh yeah, that does it. That would absolutely ensure a conviction for two murders at trial.

....Fighting with the police and attempting to shoot one of them in the theater after merely being told to "get on your feet" by Officer McDonald.

Excuse me. The police were also fighting with him, were they not? And where do you get the silly notion he attempted to shoot an officer? He was never charged with attemped murder.... Go figure. Exaggerate much, drama queen?

....Making multiple provably false statements to the police after his arrest.

What "provable false statements" would that be? Show me the verbatim record of what Oswald actually told the police, before you start making such hollow pathetic claims.

All this BS is exactly what I was talking about when I said;

Everything that happened between Kennedy's killing, at 12:30, and Oswald's arrest at the Texas Theater are allegations based on speculation and highly questionable evidence and witness testimony. The only really established fact is the arrest at the Texas Theater. Everything else would be scrutinized (imo much of it succesfully) by the defense.

You repeating all that BS, for most of which you haven't got a shred of conclusive evidence, doesn't alter that fact.

Martin will very likely now go into "None Of That Stuff You Just Talked About Can Possibly Be Verified And Confirmed By Anybody Because I Think Everybody In Dallas Was Trying To Pin The Murders On Only Oswald" mode.

Pathetic! Martin will actually say that you should really try to make a compelling factual case against Oswald instead of being preoccupied about what I would say.

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It's absolutely incredible that anybody who has studied the evidence connected with the JFK and Tippit murders, even a conspiracy theorist named Martin Weidmann, could actually say (and believe) the things I just quoted above.

I have studied the evidence, which is exactly why I can say what I am saying. To return to my earlier point; you can call anything you like "evidence" but that doesn't mean it's actually proof of anything. I'm sorry if you don't understand that.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2022, 02:34:19 AM »
What a surprise. CTer Martin is just like all other JFK conspiracy theorists --- a total failure at math. (Particularly addition.)

Let's have a look at another CTer who garnered an F- in the subject of "Adding Things Up":


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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2022, 04:54:53 AM »
John knows there's more than enough "actual evidence" to hang Oswald 20 times over (for TWO murders).

Anything can be called evidence, and very often is, but that doesn't mean it's conclusive or actual proof of anything.

And John also knows full well that Oswald's own actions on 11/21 and 11/22 would have convicted him if he had made it to trial too.


Amazing stupidity! Let's examine the facts of "Oswald's own actions" on 11/21 and 11/22. On 11/21 he went to work as normal, asked Frazier for a ride to Irving, went to Irving to visit his wife and kids and stayed the night. The next morning, he walks over to Frazier's home, for the ride back to the TSBD, where he worked normally that morning.

Those are the undisputed facts and none of it would have resulted in a conviction at trial.

Everything that happened between Kennedy's killing, at 12:30, and Oswald's arrest at the Texas Theater are allegations based on speculation and highly questionable evidence and witness testimony. The only really established fact is the arrest at the Texas Theater. Everything else would be scrutinized (imo much of it succesfully) by the defense.

To claim that Oswald would have been convicted based on his actions on 11/21 and 11/22 is just plain ridiculous and extremely naive.

Let's examine the facts of "Oswald's own actions" on 11/21 and 11/22. On 11/21 he went to work as normal, asked Frazier for a ride to Irving, went to Irving to visit his wife and kids and stayed the night. The next morning, he walks over to Frazier's home, for the ride back to the TSBD, where he worked normally that morning.

Lets see what Oswald did 'normally' on 21/22

Asked Frazier for a ride to Irving
_ Normally done on a Friday
_ Cites his need for curtain rods from Ruth's garage: Not normal
_ Does not call Ruth to ask for her permission to visit: Not normal

Went to Irving to visit his wife and kids and stayed the night
_ So far, so good. Uh, oh: Morning comes, Oswald buggers off after
   leaving money & wedding ring behind: Not normal

The next morning, he walks over to Frazier's home, for the ride back to the TSBD, where he worked normally that morning.
_Puts sizeable bag in his ride rather than politely wait for Buell. Putting sizeable bags in people's cars: Not  normal.
_Walks ever faster ahead of Buell towards TSBD: Not normal
_Shots fired. Not normal.

Conclusion: Not a normal 21/22 for Oswald


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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2022, 06:00:07 AM »
And the above quote by John is one of the things that CTers love to do when they decide to pretend there's no "actual evidence" at all against that poor sapling named Oswald.

John knows there's more than enough "actual evidence" to hang Oswald 20 times over (for TWO murders). But the CT gene inside him won't let him type it on his keyboard.

And John also knows full well that Oswald's own actions on 11/21 and 11/22 would have convicted him if he had made it to trial too. But, again, John's CT gene won't allow him to admit the obvious.

Is this posturing supposed to prove something?

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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2022, 06:05:48 AM »
What a surprise. CTer Martin is just like all other JFK conspiracy theorists --- a total failure at math. (Particularly addition.)

What a surprise. WC evangelist DVP makes a series of speculative claims that he cannot even demonstrate are actually true and pretends that they are evidence of presidential murder.

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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2022, 06:09:19 AM »
And now we learn from the resident clown that doing things that are deemed “not normal” is somehow evidence of murder.

If Oswald wore boxers instead of briefs, that would end up on the “evidence” list too.

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2022, 06:41:18 AM »
And now we learn from the resident clown that doing things that are deemed “not normal” is somehow evidence of murder.

If Oswald wore boxers instead of briefs, that would end up on the “evidence” list too.

You lot are running scared: Show us where I conclude anything but that Oswald did not have a normal 21/22

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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2022, 10:57:06 AM »
What a surprise. CTer Martin is just like all other JFK conspiracy theorists --- a total failure at math. (Particularly addition.)

Let's have a look at another CTer who garnered an F- in the subject of "Adding Things Up":



What a surprise! When a LN can not convincingly argue the "facts" he simply attacks the person who questions those "facts".

There isn't a better show of utter weakness than this.

And btw, as it has already been conclusively established beyond doubt that you edit the information on your own blogs, I am not going to bother reading it, as there is no way to be sure that it is a fair representation of what people have said.

The bottom line is a simple one; DVP can not explain how "taking a bulky package to work with him and lying (twice) to Buell Frazier", "Walking several blocks east of the TSBD just minutes after a Presidential assassination in order to catch a bus", "Getting off the bus just a few minutes after boarding it and then getting into a taxicab to take him to his roominghouse", "having the cab driver take him three blocks beyond his real destination" and "Dashing in and out of his room on Beckley in order to [allegedly] grab his .38 revolver" constitutes evidence of a murder. The reason is equally simple; even if all of it is true (which is questionable) it still does not constitute anything of the kind.

It's extremely weak circumstantial BS used as window dressing to make Oswald somehow look suspicious and thus guilty.
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2022, 11:01:16 AM »
Let's examine the facts of "Oswald's own actions" on 11/21 and 11/22. On 11/21 he went to work as normal, asked Frazier for a ride to Irving, went to Irving to visit his wife and kids and stayed the night. The next morning, he walks over to Frazier's home, for the ride back to the TSBD, where he worked normally that morning.

Lets see what Oswald did 'normally' on 21/22

Asked Frazier for a ride to Irving
_ Normally done on a Friday
_ Cites his need for curtain rods from Ruth's garage: Not normal
_ Does not call Ruth to ask for her permission to visit: Not normal

Went to Irving to visit his wife and kids and stayed the night
_ So far, so good. Uh, oh: Morning comes, Oswald buggers off after
   leaving money & wedding ring behind: Not normal

The next morning, he walks over to Frazier's home, for the ride back to the TSBD, where he worked normally that morning.
_Puts sizeable bag in his ride rather than politely wait for Buell. Putting sizeable bags in people's cars: Not  normal.
_Walks ever faster ahead of Buell towards TSBD: Not normal
_Shots fired. Not normal.

Conclusion: Not a normal 21/22 for Oswald


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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2022, 02:52:15 PM »
The only thing not normal is you!

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